Thermalright XP120 cooler: The new King
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Thanks for the review, Ralf. As a point of reference, would it be possible to see what temps you get running the HS totally passive? I am guessing that the Globe @5V is moving the least amount of air out of all the fans tested, and perhaps explains why it is more efficient in suck mode - it is assisting rather than opposing the natural convection current. If that's the case, then this HS is creating a fair amount of 'breeze' by itself, and could be useful in some fanless applications.
Great review as everyone has pointed out.
I believe there is a new parameter that needs to be included in the reviews (and spec's) of some of these large (physical size) heatsinks.
While there are always flags and notes regarding what motherboards they are compatible with (I guess they share space with parts on non-compatible boards), there is no mention on whether they exceed the ATX footprint - namely the edge of the board near the CPU.
I have run into a couple of cases that I could not use a Zalman 7000 on due to it colliding with a nearby power supply. From the pictures of this current favorite, it looks like a large overhang beyone the notherboard exists. How about a measurement of this if it exists for a particular model? Thanks.
I believe there is a new parameter that needs to be included in the reviews (and spec's) of some of these large (physical size) heatsinks.
While there are always flags and notes regarding what motherboards they are compatible with (I guess they share space with parts on non-compatible boards), there is no mention on whether they exceed the ATX footprint - namely the edge of the board near the CPU.
I have run into a couple of cases that I could not use a Zalman 7000 on due to it colliding with a nearby power supply. From the pictures of this current favorite, it looks like a large overhang beyone the notherboard exists. How about a measurement of this if it exists for a particular model? Thanks.
Good idea!alleycat wrote:As a point of reference, would it be possible to see what temps you get running the HS totally passive? I am guessing that the Globe @5V is moving the least amount of air out of all the fans tested, and perhaps explains why it is more efficient in suck mode - it is assisting rather than opposing the natural convection current. If that's the case, then this HS is creating a fair amount of 'breeze' by itself, and could be useful in some fanless applications.
I'd like to see that taken one step further and eventually see a comparison between the XP-120 and the Scythe NCU-2000 in fanless mode. Would the convection currents created by the particular orientation of each heatsink's fins mean that the Thermalright would work best as in Ralf's original (horizontal) test set up whereas the Scythe would be expected to perform best in a vertical position (as designed)?
Personally, I've never liked the idea of mounting a fan directly onto a heatsink because of vibration and the coverage gap caused by the fan's central hub. A fan mounted a minimum of 3 cm away overcomes the fan hub gap and, naturally, is not physically attached to the heatsink-processor-motherboard.
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Really nice review. Only ONE thing bothering me. IS THIS THING TOOOO BIG FOR ME? You can clearly see that the XP-120 reaches out over the edge on the motherboard. I got a IS7 and in a Antec SOnata and I dont know if I can fit this heatsink. The plastic retention bracket (or what is callt, the one that holds the heatsink) is rotated the oter way, so the short side face the PSU.
Maybe you can add a couple oif extra cm up to the PSU. SO WILL IT FIT? Or do I have to pick the XP-90 instead?
Q to the reviewer (or anybody else having thios HS) how much bigger is it that this plastic retention bracket?
EDIT. From the picture above (and in the review) it seems as if the retention bracket has the same orientation. If the board is the Intel Rock Lake is shuld look almost EXACTLY the same. Se here:
How much does it reach outside the edge of the MB?
Maybe you can add a couple oif extra cm up to the PSU. SO WILL IT FIT? Or do I have to pick the XP-90 instead?
Q to the reviewer (or anybody else having thios HS) how much bigger is it that this plastic retention bracket?
EDIT. From the picture above (and in the review) it seems as if the retention bracket has the same orientation. If the board is the Intel Rock Lake is shuld look almost EXACTLY the same. Se here:
How much does it reach outside the edge of the MB?
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I'd have to be a bit tipped over to try this. Sober I'm too chickensh!t to try passively cooling my out-of-production 2.4C.alleycat wrote:Thanks for the review, Ralf. As a point of reference, would it be possible to see what temps you get running the HS totally passive?
My concern is based on extensive testing that I've done with much, much cooler running undervolted PIII Tualatins on TR SLK800 heatsinks. I don't remember the exact numbers, but there was a large difference in the idle and load temps (on the order of 20°C, IIRC) between not having any fan, and running a 5V L1A. It seems like just the slightest breath of air cools much better than no air at all + praying for good convective cooling.
(Send me a sixer of Guinness and I may try running the XP-120 fanless, but otherwise my common sense is telling me not to. )
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My guess is, that along with TR's Compatibility Lists for their other heatsinks, the XP-120 data is not complete. I'm guessing that the chart listings come from data sent to them by users, and is not something they've generated themselves by obtaining one each of every motherboard made, and testing the fit. I suspect that as the XP-120 goes into wider distribution, TR's chart will have other mobos added to it, via customer feedback. (but then again, I could be wrong. )Edward Ng wrote:There is a distinct possibility that this is why Thermalright did not list Ralf's board on the list of boards that are compatible; notice, in his images, that the XP-120 goes past the edge of his board, yet otherwise fits just fine with no need to bend capacitors etc...
Has anyone seen if this will fit on the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum? With an NV/ATI silencer*?
The CPU socket on this board is right next to the GPU, with perhaps 2-3 cm clearance. See this picture. It's a popular board, so I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in this.
*I've seen cards with the new silencers that have a metal plate on the back of the card to cool the RAM on the back. I'm not sure how far it sticks out, maybe 5 to 8mm?
I suppose what would be most useful to everyone is a measurement of how far the cooler overhangs the processor socket on each side - that would make it easier to guess at whether it would fit in any particular setup.
And thanks, Ralf, for all your efforts. I'm glad you used 120mm fans with this - what's the point in testing a heatsink with a "standard" 80mm fan if half the benefit comes from its ability to use something bigger?
The CPU socket on this board is right next to the GPU, with perhaps 2-3 cm clearance. See this picture. It's a popular board, so I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in this.
*I've seen cards with the new silencers that have a metal plate on the back of the card to cool the RAM on the back. I'm not sure how far it sticks out, maybe 5 to 8mm?
I suppose what would be most useful to everyone is a measurement of how far the cooler overhangs the processor socket on each side - that would make it easier to guess at whether it would fit in any particular setup.
And thanks, Ralf, for all your efforts. I'm glad you used 120mm fans with this - what's the point in testing a heatsink with a "standard" 80mm fan if half the benefit comes from its ability to use something bigger?
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Fan speed was controlled by inputting a known voltage (5 or 7V) from a Zalman Fanmate, or directly from the motherboard fan header (12V). Yes, most of the Globes didn't start at 5V (with the thermal probe in the circuit) but they did start at 5.5-6V. They all start at 5V with the thermal probe shorted, but they run about 5-15% faster.dabl wrote:I'm interested as well in exactly how the Globe fan speed was controlled for the review.RaNDoMMAI wrote:
This is the globe fan i have.
did you use a normal zalman fanmate to undervolt these? mine did not start under 6V, maybe i just have a bad pair?
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With regard to the weight of the sink / fan combo and possible stress on the motherboard and mounting hardware:
Is the recommended fan included in the listed product weight?
Would a Zalman fan bracket allow mounting a fan off the HS and still get adequate airflow?
It would be nice to see a bolt-through mounting option for people concerned about that hunk of metal hanging off the board.
Is the recommended fan included in the listed product weight?
Would a Zalman fan bracket allow mounting a fan off the HS and still get adequate airflow?
It would be nice to see a bolt-through mounting option for people concerned about that hunk of metal hanging off the board.
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Probably the most useful method would be to measure how far the installed heatsink overhangs the Intel Retention Bracket itself (the included K8 bracket has the exact same dimensions, 3.000" x 3.500"). The footprint of the bracket is 88.9mm x 76.2mm. The "heatpipe side" of the heatsink overhangs the retention bracket by approx 19.5mm. On the side opposite the heatpipes, it overhangs the bracket by 34.3mm. On each of the other two sides, it overhangs the bracket by 20mm. Using these dimensions, you can extrapolate where the heatsink will end up on your own board.Spod wrote:
I suppose what would be most useful to everyone is a measurement of how far the cooler overhangs the processor socket on each side - that would make it easier to guess at whether it would fit in any particular setup.
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No.shadestalker wrote:With regard to the weight of the sink / fan combo and possible stress on the motherboard and mounting hardware:
Is the recommended fan included in the listed product weight?
Don't see why not.shadestalker wrote:Would a Zalman fan bracket allow mounting a fan off the HS and still get adequate airflow?
The XP-120 is really light. It's safely under Intel's max heatsink weight for S478. I wouldn't worry about it's weight unless you're installing one of those aluminum Panaflos, or perhaps an all-steel fan.shadestalker wrote:It would be nice to see a bolt-through mounting option for people concerned about that hunk of metal hanging off the board.
Good heatpipes have an internal wick-structure to transport the fluid back to the hot end using the capillary force. Of course having the hot end at the bottom is always a bit better.Thermalright wrote: Our Heatpipe construction was also redesigned to eliminate any gravity effect and to unleash the capability of the XP-120's performance to operate at 100% in any direction you mount it.
How heatpipes work.
Looks like someone had the cajones. I didn't think fanless would be an option.
Oh, so don't cut off the probe (they would be disconnected), but connect the wires together?Ralf Hutter wrote:Yes, most of the Globes didn't start at 5V (with the thermal probe in the circuit) but they did start at 5.5-6V. They all start at 5V with the thermal probe shorted, but they run about 5-15% faster.
Also, where would the Nexus "Real Silent" 120mm fan if in? And which Papst model would, according to sorenbro, be much like the Globe? Oh, and unlike the shorted Globe and most Papsts, the Nexus won't go below ~7V right?
Thanks!
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Methinks this is wise. None of the Thermalright coolers ever did well without forced airflow. Quite simply, the fins are too close together for natural convection to be effective. Just compare it to the fanless-specific Scythe Heatlane NCU-1000 or 2000. Also, the airflow path through the fins is not omnidirectional (as in the cylindrical HS types, the orig Zalman flower HS or Alphas).Ralf Hutter wrote:(Send me a sixer of Guinness and I may try running the XP-120 fanless, but otherwise my common sense is telling me not to. )
Panaflo 12cm weighs 270g for a total of 640g if anyone is wondering.