Paradigm Millenia HT Speaker System
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:03 pm
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Not low enough? I beg to differ. Paradigm's own spec is -3dB at 21Hz in a real room. My testing showed it has real output down to well below 30Hz, to a fairly high level. The impact -- when there is real input down that low -- is easily felt.cyberspyder wrote:I don't really count that sub as a subwoofer (doesn't go low enough for real impact), they should've loaned you their SUB2's. LOL.
Could you tell me more about why you think the Focal Dome is better? Here in the US the systems are about the same price ($2600), if you get the Paradigm Millenia sub that matches the 5.0 system. I have been doing a lot of research and have basically narrowed it down to either the Focal Dome 5.1 or Millenia One + Sub, so any comparison you could give between the two systems would be awesome. According to these charts, the Paradigm system actually has a more even frequency response:Falkon wrote:Something like the Focal Dome system does edge out ahead of this one in just about every regard, but it has the price tag to match at around 3,200 CAD.
Different strokes...cyberspyder wrote:Then why do their own SUB 2 go down to 7Hz? Yeah, 20Hz may be the threshold of hearing but you can definitely feel bass below that. I understand that there needs to be tradeoffs regarding the WAF (the SUB 2 just dominates the living room), but the cutoff at 21Hz just isn't that ideal, compared to the 16Hz cutoff of say a HSU ULS15.
LFE effects don't just cut off at 30Hz for the record.
I worked at a dealer which sells both products, so I had the opportunity to listen to both systems nearly side by side. The Focal Dome system sounded much smoother through the treble, not recessed or 'less bright' just smoother, and a tad more detailed. The midrange on both systems is great, but both do lack some of the lower mid-bass larger drivers/cabinets provide. I would say the Paradigm system suffered from this less so than the Focal did. Aesthetics are entirely subjective, and I'm not particularly partial to one or the other, they both have a small footprint with attractive enclosures.diablo wrote:Could you tell me more about why you think the Focal Dome is better? Here in the US the systems are about the same price ($2600), if you get the Paradigm Millenia sub that matches the 5.0 system. I have been doing a lot of research and have basically narrowed it down to either the Focal Dome 5.1 or Millenia One + Sub, so any comparison you could give between the two systems would be awesome.Falkon wrote:Something like the Focal Dome system does edge out ahead of this one in just about every regard, but it has the price tag to match at around 3,200 CAD.
Yeah, like I said, I just wish the sub was cheaper. <$1000 would make it a great value package.HammerSandwich wrote:These look pretty nice for the money.
MikeC, what do you think of the DAC1? I was surprised to see it in your equipment list.
Thank you falkon, that is very helpful. My use will probably be about 80/20 home theater/music, with no super high quality sources - mostly just digital music from mp3, streaming internet sources, or CD. The system will primarily be for watching TV and movies. Would you recommend one speaker over the other for this application? Also, which receiver would you recommend for both systems? I was thinking an Anthem 300 if I go with the Paradigms, and maybe a Yamaha or Marantz if I get the Focals - but very open to suggestions ($1,000 - $1,200 US price range). The Paradigms are designed in Canada but manufactured in China, whereas the Focals are designed and manufactured in France... They both appear to be very well designed and made, so I don't have a preference in that regard. Thanks for any advice!Falkon wrote:I worked at a dealer which sells both products, so I had the opportunity to listen to both systems nearly side by side. The Focal Dome system sounded much smoother through the treble, not recessed or 'less bright' just smoother, and a tad more detailed. The midrange on both systems is great, but both do lack some of the lower mid-bass larger drivers/cabinets provide. I would say the Paradigm system suffered from this less so than the Focal did. Aesthetics are entirely subjective, and I'm not particularly partial to one or the other, they both have a small footprint with attractive enclosures.diablo wrote:Could you tell me more about why you think the Focal Dome is better? Here in the US the systems are about the same price ($2600), if you get the Paradigm Millenia sub that matches the 5.0 system. I have been doing a lot of research and have basically narrowed it down to either the Focal Dome 5.1 or Millenia One + Sub, so any comparison you could give between the two systems would be awesome.Falkon wrote:Something like the Focal Dome system does edge out ahead of this one in just about every regard, but it has the price tag to match at around 3,200 CAD.
I would say the Focal Dome system is more "musical" where the Paradigm Millenia system is more "neutral". I demoed the system with a concert Blu-ray, which might be why the Focals sounded better although it's hard to say because different amps were used. The Focal Dome system was powered by an Arcam AVR400, a very nice and fairly expensive piece of kit, where the Paradigm Millenia were powered by one of the better NAD AVRs (T series, can't remember which, sorry). This could be the reason for the Focals sounding smoother.
If it were my money I'd go with the Paradigm system for local support, and to buy Canadian. The two systems are really too close to separate. For demo purposes the Focal system had a bit more wow factor to it. I like the neutral sound of Paradigm, and I love my Studio 100s.
The Anthem MRX 300 is a great AVR that provides great sound to at great value. The ARC EQ system is fantastic. I would also consider something like the Denon AVR-3312, which is around the same price, also offers quality amplification as well as many features you may find useful like AirPlay and internet radio streaming. It uses the Audyssey EQ system which is also quite nice. Don't have experience with Marantz AVRs, and I've found Yamaha models in and below your price range to be underwhelming overall. Yamaha employs a very strange and archaic method of managing inputs where you can assign few if any of them to your source of choice. Incredibly frustrating during installation.diablo wrote:Thank you falkon, that is very helpful. My use will probably be about 80/20 home theater/music, with no super high quality sources - mostly just digital music from mp3, streaming internet sources, or CD. The system will primarily be for watching TV and movies. Would you recommend one speaker over the other for this application? Also, which receiver would you recommend for both systems? I was thinking an Anthem 300 if I go with the Paradigms, and maybe a Yamaha or Marantz if I get the Focals - but very open to suggestions ($1,000 - $1,200 US price range). Thanks for any advice!
Great info - thanks! It sounds like I can't really go wrong with either the Focals or Paradigms for speakers, and Anthem or Denon providing the power...Falkon wrote:The Anthem MRX 300 is a great AVR that provides great sound to at great value. The ARC EQ system is fantastic. I would also consider something like the Denon AVR-3312, which is around the same price, also offers quality amplification as well as many features you may find useful like AirPlay and internet radio streaming. It uses the Audyssey EQ system which is also quite nice. Don't have experience with Marantz AVRs, and I've found Yamaha models in and below your price range to be underwhelming overall. Yamaha employs a very strange and archaic method of managing inputs where you can assign few if any of them to your source of choice. Incredibly frustrating during installation.diablo wrote:Thank you falkon, that is very helpful. My use will probably be about 80/20 home theater/music, with no super high quality sources - mostly just digital music from mp3, streaming internet sources, or CD. The system will primarily be for watching TV and movies. Would you recommend one speaker over the other for this application? Also, which receiver would you recommend for both systems? I was thinking an Anthem 300 if I go with the Paradigms, and maybe a Yamaha or Marantz if I get the Focals - but very open to suggestions ($1,000 - $1,200 US price range). Thanks for any advice!