Re: Dragon Jealousy, Talking Shop
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:00 pm
What about drilling new holes, like this.Radeonman wrote:Removing the plastic mounts has left me with irregular holes that don't seem to match up well with anything.
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What about drilling new holes, like this.Radeonman wrote:Removing the plastic mounts has left me with irregular holes that don't seem to match up well with anything.
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Sorry dude, you're busted. Feel free to bring your box over here and we'll work on it though. Ambient temps here are probably 10°F cooler than where you are, but of course you have the "dry heat" advantage.Radeonman wrote:So I still own my cheiftec dragon. Currently, I'm jealous of Ralph's machine he recently posted. I might have a take a trip to LA and "borrow" his computers. (Don't tell him.)
I'd say they're on the hot side too. The "Gaming Rig" in my sig lives in an Antec SX10x0 (physically identical to your Dragon) type of case. All my temps (except the ambient) are almost exactly 10°C cooler than yours even though we're running very similar setups. I'm running a P4 2.66B OC'ed to 3.0GHz and am using an 8942 on it. I'm using an L1A though, as compared to your NMB. The NMBs are nice and quiet but they don't work well on an 8942 (I tried). First thing I'd do would be put an L1A on your 8942 ans see what happens. You can always put it on a Fanmate and play with the speed.Radeonman wrote: Current Temps:
Mobo: 50
Cpu (full load): 60
HD : 45
Current Ambient: 32
I consider these all too high and would like to lower them. They are, however, within the safety margin so I can contemplate my next move.
There is no internal sensor on the vidcard. You'd need to get an external temp probe (like the Digidoc thingies) and place one of it's sensors as close to the GPU as possible.Radeonman wrote:I am not aware of a way to check the video card's temperatures, and would be happy to know of a program that would query the radeon's little diode (assuming it has one), as I'm guessing it is also running hot (the heatsink is toasty). The side of my case is currently off. I have no case fans working.
I'd bet that by increasing your case airflow (as I outlined above) you'd increase the performance of the ZM-80 as well. Currently the hot air has nowhere to go so the cooler isn't working too well. Why are you resistant to adding a Zalman fan bracket above your vidcard? These work well and with a 5V L1A you'd certainly never hear the fan.Radeonman wrote:The cooling I do have in place is the ZM80a with a fan bolted beneath the heatsink (i.e. between the sound card and video card). From what I can tell this is doing me virtually no good, and I am, therefore, running the Radeon 9700 virtually passive. If anyone has any sneaky ways of bolting the 80mm fan in a different spot (I'd prefer not to do the flying Zalman-Bracket wannabe trick), I'm all ears.
As I said above, swap out the NMB for an L1A + Fanmate. The NMBs don't flow enough air to work well with the 8942s.Radeonman wrote:The CPU has the Alpha heatsink on it and an NMB fan. I haven't tried switching the orientation on the fan to see if it works better pushing air into the sink as opposed to pulling air out (the orientation the directions claim you should use it in and which I've left it as for now). Again, any suggestions here would be welcome.
120mm fans will not fit on that case. 92mms will, and I even have a set of templates to locate them in the best possible configuration.Radeonman wrote:Finally, I'm jealous of Ralf's 120mm fans. The dragon, as many of you know, comes with spots for dual 80s on the front and back of the case. However, since banging out the grills for the fans, I've become disenchanted with the plastic mounts and stopped using fans in those slots. Removing the plastic mounts has left me with irregular holes that don't seem to match up well with anything. My question here is: Is cutting into this area to set up a 120mm fan (at least on the back) a realistic option? I can get measurements on various place if necessary, but trying to get a general sense of things before I start making more detailed plans (and try and find a good 120mm fan).
Yaya, I haven't done it myself but it looks like it works with a little cu|tt/nn|ing .Radeonman wrote:Keel, you got pics of 92's in action?
Front Top: L1A blowing across HDD suspended below the FDD/HDD cage.Radeonman wrote:aphonos, <snip> I see you aren't using both in or out fan spots, do you use something to block these holes? (what do you use?)
Not really any more than any other case. A Dremel and drill are equal-opportunity flesh-eaters. They don't care what kind of case you have--just whether you are careful with your tools or not.POLIST8 wrote:Looks like one of those Cut-Your-Hand-Off-If-You-Mess-With-Modding-This type of Case...
How about a Zalman fan bracket for your ZM-80? It's only about 1% of the cost of that LCD monitor and would help you cool your vidcard.Radeonman wrote:Ok. I got loads of NMBs around, but here's what I'm going to buy to insure that all my problems are eliminated:
1 x FBA08A12M1BX (This should be a panaflo 80mm medium speed with RPM monitoring, someone correct me if I'm wrong - this will go on my cpu heatsink)
3x FBL09A12L1A (These should be 92mm panaflos for my case).
2x 5801K6 (these should be the 80, 92mm fan isolaters from McMaster Carr - need enough so I have extras on hand)
Anyone have any other shopping suggestions while I have the credit card out? (and the LCD from Ralf's other post is out of the question at this point in time).
Plan on using that fan as a door-stop or to level out your fishtank or something. They're very loud (for a "quiet" fan at least).Radeonman wrote:I broke down and paid the $8 for the bracket. It comes with a free 9cm Zalman fan.
Radeonman wrote: The fan I wish to mount in the front (same 92mm L1A as for the back) does not have flanges on both sides of the fan.
I can't visualize what you mean here. Do you mean that you'll have to mount it outside the front case wall? Clarification please!Radeonman wrote:This means I'll either have to cut out room for almost the entire fan in the case or find some other way to mount it - any suggestions?
Into your PSU? You mean where the fan mounts inside your PSU or where the PSU mounts to the case? Help a silent PC rookie out a little here...As a side note, I put the EAR isolaters into my power supply - I have to admit they made quite a bit of difference even with the NMB fan. I should have ordered those a while ago.
Those do work, and you can get them here too.Kostik wrote:...If you want to decouple the whole PSU for some reason, you might find this interesting, though it might be hard to find in the US...