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 Post subject: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:05 pm 
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Hello.
I´m going to buy a HTPC and I´m having trouble choosing the case.
From all the cases i saw i liked the ANTEC FUSION REMOTE MAX BLACK.
I need a opinion from people like you that really know about the silent pc.

The case will have this components:

Motherboard: GIGABYTE - Z77X-UP4 TH
Power Supply: SEASONIC X-660
CPU: INTEL - Core i7-3770S/3.1GHz 8MB LGA1155 65W 
CPU Fan: CORSAIR - Hydro Series H60 Cooler CPU
SSD: VERTEX 4 SERIES SATA III 2.5Pol 128GB
HDD: 2x WESTERN DIGITAL - Disco 1TB 64Mb, 6Gb/s, Green, SATA -WD10EZRX 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Memory: G.SKILL PC3-12800 1600MHZ RIPJAWSX 16GB CL10 (2X8GB) DDR3
Video Card: ASUS GEFORCE GTX670 DIRECT CU II 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0
Optical drive: Asus BC-12B1ST BLK B AS

I really need your help. This case is expensive, i need to know it there are other better options for this price, in your opinion.

Thank you all.


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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:52 pm 
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Hi and welcome to SPCR. Have you looked at the Silverstone Grandia series? The GD05 was reviewed http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1033-page1.html]here along with the Antec Fusion Remote Max. If you have the vertical space, there's also the GD07/GD08 that allows for taller CPU cooler and a longer PSU.

Some comments on your component list:
- How are you going to use the HTPC?
- do you really have need for an i7?
- In general, I don't think the S CPU parts are worth it. Buy the non-S part and then underclock/undervolt it if you want.
- your GPU looks suspiciously like a motherboard :)
- you probably don't need a 660W PSU, could go lower and save $'s.
- The Corsair H60 isn't known to be ultraquiet and chances are, won't be much better than a decent air cooler.
- why two 1TB HDDs?
- do you have need for two Thunderbolt ports on a mobo? If not, you could go to a lesser board and save $'s.

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:55 am 
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Thank you for your help.
I will try to nswer your questions now :-)

- How are you going to use the HTPC?
I will use it for 3d games and movies, listening music, edit some home made movies and others things like word, powerpoint... Basically I want a quiet PC because it will be placed at my bedroom under my full hdtv. It will be connected to my tv through hdmi i think...

- do you really have need for an i7?
I want a good CPU that uses low energy and still have a great performance in multitasking and games.

- In general, I don't think the S CPU parts are worth it. Buy the non-S part and then underclock/undervolt it if you want.
I thought about that, but i don't know how to undervolt it and I heard that could make it unstable, thats why I choose the s, because uses less energy and don't get so hot.

- your GPU looks suspiciously like a motherboard
My mistake :-), Now its fine. I think this is the most problematic concerning the noise emission. I choose the Asus because its the most silent that i found.

- you probably don't need a 660W PSU, could go lower and save $'s.
I don't know. Now that I have the GPU see if I still can have a lower PSU please.

- The Corsair H60 isn't known to be ultraquiet and chances are, won't be much better than a decent air cooler.
Hmmm so what you recommend?

- why two 1TB HDDs?
I want to backup all my movies and musics is the safest way possible. In a way that i only have 1 TB available but all the data are duplicated in the two HDD´s.

- do you have need for two Thunderbolt ports on a mobo? If not, you could go to a lesser board and save $'s.
I want a mobo with thunderbolt because in the near future will go out many hardware that will use it. (sorry about my english)

The case that you recommended its fine, but I choose the one with the biggest fans so they are more efficient and do less noise. And I like very much the concealed usd... at front, behind that panel.

Thank you. I know its difficult a silent HTPC for games...


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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:31 pm 
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Ok, I have a better idea how you will use the PC. Here's how I'd repartition the money spent.

CPU: The only app that will make use of the i7's hyperthreading is when you edit movies. Very few games will benefit from the i7 and the sweet spot for gaming is the i5-3570K (K due to the overclocking ability). In fact, you'll get better fps in games with a higher clocked i5-3570 (3.4GHz) vs the lower clocked i7-3770S (3.1GHz). The S might have a lower TDP (65W vs 77W), but in reality, for similar loads, it'll be close to similar power draw. In the end, the GPU power will swamp out trying to save 12W on the CPU. So, unless you plan to spend most of your time editing/encoding video, go for the i5 and save $100.

CPU cooler: A couple of choices. For ~$70 the Noctua NH-L12. For ~$45 get the Scythe Shuriken 2 Rev B (and replace the low profile fan with a Scythe 120mm PWM Flex or Slipstream).

GPU: Since you are connecting to the TV/using HDMI, the resolution is 1920x1080. My take is you can spend ~$200 and have a great 1080p card like the GTX 660that will be good for 2 years and $300 for a card like the GTX 660 Ti that'll last 3 years. You won't see any worthy performance gain at this resolution moving up the the $400 GTX 670. Both Asus and MSI make great cards.

PSU: If you go with the 77W CPU and stick with the GTX 670, your stressed load power is less than 300W and will draw ~250W or less gaming. Less another 20-30W if you get the 660 or 660 Ti. So, you could drop down to the X-560 or the Kingwin LZP-550 and still be very quiet while gaming.

Memory: Look for low profile RAM so there aren't clearance issues with the cooler.

Mobo: Thunderbolt is nice...but if you don't have any need for it now or anytime in the next year, I wouldn't go out of your way to get it on the mobo. There's bound to be PCIe add-on cards soon. In any case, Gigabyte makes nice cards, but their fan control is primitive. Take a look at the Asus Z77 boards.

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:47 pm 
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Ok. Thank you for your help I really appreciated.
I´m going to listen your advices because the HTPC was getting really expensive :-/

Case: ANTEC FUSION REMOTE MAX BLACK ? (I don't know)

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT - 220 euros (more 26 euros than ASUS P8Z77-V PRO)
CPU: INTEL 1155 I5 3570K 3.40GHZ 6MB BOX - 211 euros (-86 euros than the i7-3770S)
CPU Cooler: NOCTUA NH-L12 LOW PROFILE - 51,95 euros
GPU: ASUS GEFORCE GTX660 TI DIRECT CU II 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0 - 305,85 euros (-109 euros than GTX670)
Power Supply: SEASONIC X-660 151,40 euros (the X-560 is only 5 euros less expensive, and is not for sale at the store I will buy)
SSD: OCZ VERTEX 4 128GB SSD 2.5" SATA III - 110,10 euros
HDD: 2X WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR GREEN 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III 3.5 - 72,95 euros
Memory: CORSAIR PC3-12800 1600MHZ 16GB VENGEANCE LP CL9 (2X8GB) DDR3 - 88,95 euros
Optical drive: ASUS BC-12B1ST BLU RAY - 63,35 euros
Total: 1348 euros (and is missing the case... I think I like the GD08) it's still very expensive... unless the mobo could be other than the pro version, I don't know...

Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:52 pm 
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Oh, drop the RAM to 8GB. You don't have any apps that'll make use of more than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:51 pm 
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Case: ANTEC FUSION REMOTE MAX BLACK ? (I don't know)

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT...............................................................220 euros
CPU: INTEL 1155 I5 3570K 3.40GHZ 6MB BOX.....................................................................211 euros
CPU Cooler:NOCTUA NH-L12 LOW PROFILE........................................................................51,95 euros
GPU:ASUS GEFORCE GTX660 DIRECT CU II 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0......................................239,85 euros
Power Supply: SEASONIC X-660.........................................................................................151,40 euros
SSD:OCZ VERTEX 4 128GB SSD 2.5" SATA III........................................................................110,10 euros
HDD:2X WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR GREEN 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III 3.5......................72,95 X2 euros
Memory:  CORSAIR PC3-12800 1600MHZ 8GB VENGEANCE LP BLACK CL9 (2X4GB) DDR3......39,30 euros
Optical drive: ASUS BC-12B1ST BLU RAY.................................................................................63,35 euros

Total: 1232 euros (without the case...)

Well, I think this is it.
It's only missing the case... witch I can't decide...
I saw a review of the Silverstone Grandia GD08 and they could´t use any of the new video cards, there was no space...(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxslPW_m ... r_embedded) and its impossible to use 2 optical drives because the second (the one placed down) can't fit because of the CPU cooler... that's very bad :-/

Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:48 pm 
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I think for the sake or reliability you should swap that SSD for a Samsung 183 series (now that the 184 is out, prices should be lower)


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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:18 pm 
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Thank you.
I will change to the samsung SSD then :-)

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT....................................................................220 euros
CPU: INTEL 1155 I5 3570K 3.40GHZ 6MB BOX..........................................................................211 euros
CPU Cooler:NOCTUA NH-L12 LOW PROFILE............................................................................51,95 euros
GPU:ASUS GEFORCE GTX660 DIRECT CU II 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0..........................................239,85 euros
Power Supply: SEASONIC X-660............................................................................................151,40 euros
SAMSUNG SERIES 830 128GB 2.5" SATA III...............................................................................95,85euros
HDD:2X WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR GREEN 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III 3.5.......................72,95 X2 euros
Memory: CORSAIR PC3-12800 1600MHZ 8GB VENGEANCE LP BLACK CL9 (2X4GB) DDR3.......39,30 euros
Optical drive: ASUS BC-12B1ST BLU RAY.................................................................................63,35 euros

Total: 1218 euros (without the case...)

Now... the case is still a problem, i do´t know witch is best.
I like the following:
- ANTEC FUSION REMOTE MAX BLACK
- Silverstone Grandia GD08
- Lian Li PC-C60

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:11 am 
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Well I think I'm going for the Silverstone Grandia GD08.
But if so, I have to go to a different CPU cooler because this one doesn't leave enough space to install the second optical drive.

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:33 am 
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Avirhel wrote:
Well I think I'm going for the Silverstone Grandia GD08.
But if so, I have to go to a different CPU cooler because this one doesn't leave enough space to install the second optical drive.

And why would you need a second optical drive in this day & age?

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:58 am 
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Well I don't need it really, but if there is a place for it, maybe in the future I buy a second one.... I don't know.
Now I'm thinking if I should chose the GD07 or the GD08...

Thank you :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:43 pm 
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Avirhel wrote:
Well I don't need it really, but if there is a place for it, maybe in the future I buy a second one.... I don't know.
Now I'm thinking if I should chose the GD07 or the GD08...

The GD06,07,08 -- they're all the same chassis, only differences are on the front panel, really, mostly external drive bays. If you don't know why you might want a 2nd ODD, assume you don't need one. The need for them is really fading... unless you buy/rent bluray. I actually don't have any optical drive in my HTPC. If I need one (rarely), I bring in my external USB based drive.

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:01 pm 
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This is the latest configuration:

Case: Silverstone Grandia GD07…………………………………………………..……………………..……???? euros
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT……………………………..…………………………220 euros
CPU: INTEL - Core i7-3770S/3.1GHz 8MB LGA1155 65W 
CPU………………...…………………...….294 euros 
CPU Cooler:NOCTUA NH-L12 LOW PROFILE............................................................................51,95 euros
GPU:ASUS GEFORCE GTX660 DIRECT CU II 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0..........................................239,85 euros
Power Supply: SEASONIC X-660............................................................................................151,40 euros
SAMSUNG SERIES 830 128GB 2.5" SATA III...............................................................................95,85 euros
HDD:2X WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR GREEN 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III 3.5….................…72,95 X2 euros
Memory: CORSAIR PC3-12800 1600MHZ 16GB VENGEANCE LP CL10 (2X8GB) DDR3…..…........73,55 euros
Optical drive: ASUS BC-12B1ST BLU RAY…………………………………………………………….……...63,35 euros

Total: 1338 euros (without the case...)

I probably will edit many movies, I think that the core i7 will be a better choice, I don´t want to regret later.
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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:35 am 
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I'm not going to buy right now, because the prices actually increased compared to the last week :roll:

This is the latest config:

Case: Silverstone Grandia GD07…………………………………………………………...........……………………????e uros
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT………………………………..........……………………220 euros
CPU: INTEL CORE™ I7-3770T……………………………………………………………..…...……………..…….284,95 euros
CPU Cooler:NOCTUA NH-L12 LOW PROFILE........................................... .........................51,95 euros
GPU:ASUS GEFORCE GTX660 DIRECT CU II 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0...............................239,85 euros
Power Supply: SEASONIC X-660............................................... ...................................151,40 euros
SAMSUNG SERIES 830 128GB 2.5" SATA III............................................... ...................95,85euros
HDD:2X WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR GREEN 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III 3.5…......…72,95 X2 euros
Memory: CORSAIR PC3-12800 1600MHZ 16GB VENGEANCE LP CL10 (2X8GB) DDR3…...73,55 euros
Optical drive: ASUS BC-12B1ST BLU RAY………………………………………………………………….........63,35 euros

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 Post subject: Re: Help choosing a silent HTPC case.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:20 am 
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Probably too late, but don't buy them aluminium cases. I have tried Silverstone's and Lian LI. They get hot very very fast, and you will struggle to connect everything inside and still have room for airflow.
The only case that can take intense gaming, HD movies, and so forth, and still be cool and whisper quiet, all the time, is the Fusion Max from Antec.

The only minus Fusion Remote has, is the fans:
Replace the tricool fans it comes with. They are noisy even at low speeds.

Also Antec have the most excellent customer support if u need help, or spare parts.
Your choice of other hardware is excellent, especially the PSU from Seasonic. But buy some Scythe flex fans for the chassis aswell.


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