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Would you get a mac?
Yes 58%  58%  [ 84 ]
No 42%  42%  [ 61 ]
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Would you get a mac if you had lots of money to spend? I would love one of those small 12" laptops even though theyre mac, they just look sooo nice!

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I voted no. Mostly due to bad experiences with previous Macs, and due to the fanaticism of the Mac users that I know.

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i voted no, just because i'm used to the PC i've worked with yet :) Not even one was a Mac

Maybe as a laptop but definately (sp?) for a desktop...

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I voted yes, but when I show my Mac to a PC user their eyes pop out of their head and say "Where do you get a computer like THAT!"

Then I get jealous, I don't want them to have one and feel just like everyone else. So I wind up giving them a attitude, they read that combined with them feeling like trailer park trash and I never see them again.

Wonder why?

Think another 23" Cinema Display would be overdoing it?


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Sailfish wrote:
I voted yes, but when I show my Mac to a PC user their eyes pop out of their head and say "Where do you get a computer like THAT!"

Then I get jealous, I don't want them to have one and feel just like everyone else. So I wind up giving them a attitude, they read that combined with them feeling like trailer park trash and I never see them again.

Wonder why?

Think another 23" Cinema Display would be overdoing it?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-12

Yeah, I do think that another 23" Cinema Display would be overdoing it, but then if I had an extra $2k lying around, I'd put it towards something else. Like maybe a quiet power supply or three, or paying off the bill for the transmission in my car. But hey, that's just me.

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I voted "no".

At the risk of starting something, what can a Mac do as well or better than a PC?

And don't say "they look so sexy" because I don't give a shit what they look like if they're slow, noisy and expensive.

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I voted no.

It's a completly stupid design... just look at it.

Face it... there's absolutely no need for a door stop to be that big!!

What's wrong with the tried and trusted wedge?

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Half the reason for my PCs is that I can play with them, upgrade bits, swap parts etc. I have never seen any Mac bits at the computer shops I visit (yeah OK memory & disks are standard; what about CPU, GPU, mobo ...).

So if I had a Mac, after I wedge the door open, I would be on the streets assaulting little old ladies. PCs are obviously for those with a better social conscience.

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what can a Mac do that a PC can't.

a few that come to mind are:

1. e-mail without worry about viruses.

2. connect a new mac to the internet without getting a worm.

3. no spyware

4. in the near future, no worrys about "trusted" computing

5. RIAA won't sue you if you're on a Mac, because they're stupid enough to think that Kazaa is the only way to fileshare.

6. i can run OSX, Linux and Windows (if i had any need) all on one machine.

the list goes on, but of course it's not going to make any difference. i'd have to ask why people even bother with PC's any more. gaming is their only real advantage, and anyone who drops $2k on a gaming machine is a moron. go buy yourself some consoles and invest the difference.


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alcimedes wrote:
what can a Mac do that a PC can't.

a few that come to mind are:

1. e-mail without worry about viruses.
a pc can do that. you know linux, don't you? :)

alcimedes wrote:
2. connect a new mac to the internet without getting a worm.
same as above

alcimedes wrote:
3. no spyware
same

alcimedes wrote:
4. in the near future, no worrys about "trusted" computing
dunno, probable same as above.

alcimedes wrote:
5. RIAA won't sue you if you're on a Mac, because they're stupid enough to think that Kazaa is the only way to fileshare.
there are better p2p apps than kazaa, and a lot of them.

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6. i can run OSX, Linux and Windows (if i had any need) all on one machine.
exactly

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I voted no because I can't afford a mac, they look too fancy for my taste and I can get my work done with PC and Linux.


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Mati wrote:
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6. i can run OSX, Linux and Windows (if i had any need) all on one machine.
exactly


You can run OSX on your pc?

If you like to tinker with or fix your computer by all means a pc is the way to go. If you do not have time to waste playing around with a computer then Mac is the way to go.
I do not drive a fancy car. I do not criticize the fancy car. I say wow cool car - wish I had one or not for me. Most people drive cheap cars. Some are faster than others. Most people who fix their own cars do so either because they like to or because that is all they can afford. You seem like the kind of person who likes to fix up computers. Please do not denigrate my choice of computer because I chose not to be like you.

I have used both pcs and Macs. I simply prefer Macs. If you prefer pcs good for you.

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alcimedes wrote:
what can a Mac do that a PC can't.

a few that come to mind are:

1. e-mail without worry about viruses.

2. connect a new mac to the internet without getting a worm.

3. no spyware

4. in the near future, no worrys about "trusted" computing

5. RIAA won't sue you if you're on a Mac, because they're stupid enough to think that Kazaa is the only way to fileshare.

6. i can run OSX, Linux and Windows (if i had any need) all on one machine.

the list goes on, but of course it's not going to make any difference. i'd have to ask why people even bother with PC's any more. gaming is their only real advantage, and anyone who drops $2k on a gaming machine is a moron. go buy yourself some consoles and invest the difference.


I gotta wonder how many of these are because of availability. Maybe there aren't many viruses for the Mac because who would bother to write viruses that would only affect 5% of all computers? It's the same reason Linux seems more secure. WAY less people are taking it apart looking for loopholes. I mean, really. If you wanted to destroy the world's computers, would you write a virus for Mac, or PC. You'd do it for PC.

I'm gonna vote that I'd never own a Mac because for almost every single reason listed here. Games. Tinkering. Elitist assholes that own them (not everyone, of course, but there's a helluva lot of them).

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speedfreak wrote:
Mati wrote:
alcimedes wrote:
6. i can run OSX, Linux and Windows (if i had any need) all on one machine.
exactly


You can run OSX on your pc?
:oops: you're right, you can't run osx on a pc. dunno about an emulator, is there such a thing?

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alcimedes wrote:
what can a Mac do that a PC can't.

a few that come to mind are:

1. e-mail without worry about viruses.


I run WinXP with NAV and never get viruses. Of course it helps that I don't use OE as my email client.

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2. connect a new mac to the internet without getting a worm.


I've never got that RPC worm on any of my PC's, they're all behind a router.

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3. no spyware


Well, if your not a newb or moron and don't go clicking on every flashing link you won't get spyware on a PC either. I run Adaware and Spybot and I scan my drives once a week and have never found any spyware on my systems.

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4. in the near future, no worrys about "trusted" computing


Me neither. I'll be quite content with S478 P4 for a while. All the newer stuff is going to run too hot (i.e. too noisy) anyway.

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5. RIAA won't sue you if you're on a Mac, because they're stupid enough to think that Kazaa is the only way to fileshare.


RIAA won't look at me either because I use the Usenet. They're too stupid to look at that too, and it's not full of spyware, viruses and worms like the P2P apps are.

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6. i can run OSX, Linux and Windows (if i had any need) all on one machine.


Jeez, who cares? I can run Linux and Windows on a PC and can't for the life of me ever imagine using a dinosaur of an OS like OS X.

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You can run OSX on your pc?

If you like to tinker with or fix your computer by all means a pc is the way to go. If you do not have time to waste playing around with a computer then Mac is the way to go.
I do not drive a fancy car. I do not criticize the fancy car. I say wow cool car - wish I had one or not for me. Most people drive cheap cars. Some are faster than others. Most people who fix their own cars do so either because they like to or because that is all they can afford. You seem like the kind of person who likes to fix up computers. Please do not denigrate my choice of computer because I chose not to be like you.

Ok, please stop this right now. I personally have strong feeling against macs, but I'm trying to do my best not to go on a tirade against them or outline everything that I feel is wrong with them.

This is not directed against against you specifically, Speedfreak, but this thread is already degenerating into a Mac vs. PC flamewar. And the problem is that I LOVE a good flamewar and will participate until the bitter end. But if you want to start a flamewark, open up a new topic for it.

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I though I was being reasonable. I own a pc or two myself and even a M$ xbox. I don't use a hammer where a screwdriver will work better. There are some things the pc does better than the Mac and vice versa. The xbox is an awesome gaming machine.

Again, My personal preference is for a Mac with OSX.

PS: I did not start the poll. I simply responded and gave MHO.

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This a silly poll, of course I would and I do on several nice and Quiet dual processor Macs...

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When i said i would, i ment I would only own one alongside my pc, i'd never use it as a main os as most of you are implying.

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I'm using one of the soooo cool 12" iBooks right now. It is a great choice for a laptop. Small, lightweight, and great battery life. Oh and priced right too.

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speedfreak wrote:
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I'm using one of the soooo cool 12" iBooks right now. It is a great choice for a laptop. Small, lightweight, and great battery life. Oh and priced right too.


You got any pictures of it??? How much do they retail for?

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Big difference between Mac's and Windows PC's: "buffer overflows"

Linux isn't so much better in security, to the dismay of the Slashdot crowd

Another thing is M$ is a slow moving beast, it can't make improvements without upsetting a lot of business investments in it's OS. This makes it vulnerable to attack by new exploits. Mac's always have been more productive than PC's, they don't require much maintenance or attention. They just plain work.

Also since M$ is more business friendly than customer friendly, it uses your WMP and Napster playlist info for marketing purposes, allows pop-ups for spammers and for 20+ years left it OS "loose" for the government snoops to come in anytime they wished. Many governments are pretty fed up with M$. I was showing my iPod to a Windows user yesterday and his computer was constantly popping messages for porn, what a drag that is.

Apple puts the value of it's customers first, it shows in their OS, they have earned my trust and admiration over and over again these last 20 years. There has been only a few disk based viruses over these many years vs over 80,000 Windows exploits.It would be a matter of pride amongst crackers to devise the first successful Mac OS X virus. Keep trying guys, lol. So it's not a security through obscurity, it's a better OS and a better computer.

Only Dell and Apple are posting profits from computer sales, Dell because it's popular, but it will go the way of Compaq and Gateway as it's star fades. Apple will remain, because there will always be a crowd that wants just the very best and have the money to buy them. Consumer reports gave Apple the best in customer service against the likes of Dell and next Gateway.

Buy the way a little bird told me Gateway is going to close all it's Country stores here shortly, in favor of using eMachines' Best Buy outlets.


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Ralf Hutter wrote:
I run WinXP with NAV and never get viruses...I run Adaware and Spybot and I scan my drives once a week and have never found any spyware on my systems.


NAV: $49.00
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MacOS X: Pricless, 'cause I don't have purchase or download and install additional software that will slow down and interfere with the normal operation of my OS.


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Apple puts the value of it's customers first, it shows in their OS, they have earned my trust and admiration over and over again these last 20 years. There has been only a few disk based viruses over these many years vs over 80,000 Windows exploits.It would be a matter of pride amongst crackers to devise the first successful Mac OS X virus. Keep trying guys, lol. So it's not a security through obscurity, it's a better OS and a better computer.



Hmmm i read up on those links and heres what i came across:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=7980 wrote:
To arrive at its conclusions, mi2g analysed 17.074 successful digital attacks against servers and networks. It states: "With Linux accounting for 13,654 breaches, Windows for 2,005 breaches followed by BSD and Mac OS X with 555 breaches worldwide in January 2004."

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http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=7980 wrote:
To arrive at its conclusions, mi2g analysed 17.074 successful digital attacks against servers and networks. It states: "With Linux accounting for 13,654 breaches, Windows for 2,005 breaches followed by BSD and Mac OS X with 555 breaches worldwide in January 2004."


There was one exploit on Mac OS X servers, it had not to do with Mac OS X, but a web protocol that everyone uses, affecting everyone. It has been since fixed by the original maker. thus...

From the same article

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"For the first time, the number of recorded breaches against government servers running BSD or Mac OS X worldwide fell to zero in January 2004," the analyst said"


A far cry from Linux and Windows.

Anyone can take one line out of context, the short of it is Mac OS X is the most secure OS being based upon BSD Unix.

In fact Mac OS X "Panther" has what's called Filevault, which encrypts your user folder "on the fly" as well a firewall built in and turned on by default. It has been discovered that Panther has US Government logos imbedded into it as well as software to read special military government access cards.

The FBI is seriously investing in Powerbook's for their use, and of course a lot of the smart boys at NASA use Mac's exclusively, even the US Navy is using X-serves in their subs.

I think it's safe to say that Apple takes your security very seriously.

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I haven't used Macs very often in the last few years, so OS X may have changed everything that annoyed me. My biggest complaint always was that the Mac removed so much control from me that I felt the computer was steering me. OTOH, I'm in that minority (in the USA) that prefers a manual transmission.

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Apple puts the value of it's customers first...

No wonder we disagree - we're talking about different Apples! The one I'm thinking of told Apple 3 owners to drop the machines 6 inches to seat socketed ICs, discarded the Apple 2 user base after the Mac arrived, and has dismissed more recent owners with complaints about logic board failure, iPod battery lifetime, and noisy G4s and G5s. That's just the stuff a PC guy hears about.


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alcimedes wrote:
what can a Mac do that a PC can't.

a few that come to mind are:

1. e-mail without worry about viruses.

2. connect a new mac to the internet without getting a worm.

3. no spyware

My sis is fed up with her VAIO laptop partly because of the 3 issues listed above. I spent last weekend restoring her laptop, for the 2nd time. Also the VAIO wouldn't last longer than 30 mins on a charge playing a DVD (Sony told her that was normal, she just needed to buy extra batteries :roll:) She fell in love with my iBook, especially when I told her that it can actually play a full length DVD on a single charge, and also are immune to Windows virii and spyware. So the VAIO goes on eBay this week and she gets an iBook the next. :)


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Sailfish wrote:
Big difference between Mac's and Windows PC's: "buffer overflows"

Really? I thought the buffer overflow problems was inherent with anyone who programs in C.

Sailfish wrote:
Only Dell and Apple are posting profits from computer sales, Dell because it's popular, but it will go the way of Compaq and Gateway as it's star fades.

For once, I hope you're right. I really wouldn't mind Dell getting cut down a notch and let other computer assemblers to come to service. But Dell has brand recognition and that's a lot harder to kill off.

Wanna see some interesting data? Look who's more popular, Dell or Apple. The results are pathetic for apple, seeing as you can't buy music on Dell's site.

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Adaware & Spybot: Donation-ware
MacOS X: Pricless, 'cause I don't have purchase or download and install additional software that will slow down and interfere with the normal operation of my OS.

AVG: Free
SpyBot: Free.
Not being a moron and unknowingly install stupid crap: Priceless.
PCs are for the people who know what they're doing. For everyone else, there's Macintosh.

Really though, I found your statement absolutely hilarious, because when I downloaded iTunes to test it out. It installed Quicktime 6.4. That noticeably slowed down my machine, and frankly, I felt it was bloatware.

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"For the first time, the number of recorded breaches against government servers running BSD or Mac OS X worldwide fell to zero in January 2004," the analyst said"

A far cry from Linux and Windows.

No, but I bet the number of recorded breaches against government servers running BeOS also fell to zero. Seriously though, there's no context as to how many actual OSX servers they were running. And it sounds more impressive when you add BSD to it. IIRC, OpenBSD is the OS that most of the serious hacker groups operate. I would trust them to choose a secure platform far better than I would trust a Mac Fanatic.
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The FBI is seriously investing in Powerbook's for their use, and of course a lot of the smart boys at NASA use Mac's exclusively, even the US Navy is using X-serves in their subs.

I love this line. It's just so Mac tailored that it's funny. Let's reword that just to show how ridiculous it is.
"The FBI is seriously investing in PC laptops for their use, and of course a lot of the smart boys at NASA use PCs exclusively, even the US Navy is using rackmount file servers on their subs."
If I were to say the above, anyone and everyone would say, "So what?" Why should it be any different for Macs?


That was fun. You know what though? This flamewar has made me want to change my vote at the beginning of this poll. If I had the cash, I DO want a Mac. I've figured out a good use for it. I could use it to write viruses specifically tailored to Mac users (although getting the virus out would be a problem). But in the meantime, I could use a Mac and find all the little details where it sucks compared to a PC. That way I can make stronger arguments against the apple whores who like to invade our forums, and if I can find a serious enough flaw, I can shut them up. Right now the only weapons I have are OSX 10.1 and any MacOS pre-X (and for the REAL Apple whores, I've got weapons like Lisa and Apple II).

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