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 Post subject: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 5:34 am 
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i still use windows xp on the desktop, and i don't see much of a reason to upgrade


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 5:52 am 
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When you do, try Linux Mint (XFCE or MATE perhaps). Most of the applications we love (Firefox, VLC etc) and a GUI that's very much like the classic WinXP. And security upgrades, for free. :)

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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:11 am 
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Vicotnik wrote:
When you do, try Linux Mint (XFCE or MATE perhaps). Most of the applications we love (Firefox, VLC etc) and a GUI that's very much like the classic WinXP. And security upgrades, for free. :)


call me naive but if ur using a firewall antivirus etc i don't see much of a need for security updates. oh this used at home


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:01 pm 
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Some OS security updates are more important than a firewall (assuming the computer is NAT'ed, as most are), AVs and so forth.
The effectiveness of firewalls, AVs and so forth is generally overrated.

Application security updates are much more important.
So whatever you do, on XP the most important thing to do is to stop using IE or any software rendering arbitrary webpages with IE. Any other application that refuses to update because you're using XP ought to be dumped as well.
Microsoft seems to have released an IE patch for XP after the date at which they said they'd stop to. But that won't last forever...

Configuration and user behavior are also very important.
That stuff has become easier with certain XP service packs but has been even easier on newer versions of Windows for years. No change there.


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:49 am 
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HFat wrote:
Some OS security updates are more important than a firewall (assuming the computer is NAT'ed, as most are), AVs and so forth.
The effectiveness of firewalls, AVs and so forth is generally overrated.

Application security updates are much more important.
So whatever you do, on XP the most important thing to do is to stop using IE or any software rendering arbitrary webpages with IE. Any other application that refuses to update because you're using XP ought to be dumped as well.
Microsoft seems to have released an IE patch for XP after the date at which they said they'd stop to. But that won't last forever...

Configuration and user behavior are also very important.
That stuff has become easier with certain XP service packs but has been even easier on newer versions of Windows for years. No change there.


hi well i still use office 2003, i don't care for ribbon.

i'm a little unclear about the need for security updates since i don't visit bad websites.


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 1:47 pm 
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What's a "bad website"?
If you visit sites such as SPCR, you are at risk. Google phpBB vulns or something. No doubt there are more dangerous sites (more popular forums for instance), but are you confident you know enough to tell what's safe from what's not?

Security updates are designed to prevent people who make use of bugs discovered by strangers from exploiting the software you use for their own purposes.
So you shouldn't use an out-of-date browser to access the average website. Because the averge website can be taken over by people who exploit known bugs. It's happend before and it'll happen again.
And so you shouldn't use and out-of-date word processor to open documents sent by the average computer user. Because the average computer can be infected and so can all the documents made on it. It used to happen all the time and while it seems like it happens less often nowadays, you can be it'll happen again.

If you don't like current versions of MS Office, you could try a free and mostly compatible alternative. It's a lot less trouble than trying a mostly incompatible free OS.


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 1:15 am 
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Unless you use the system for gaming, or use some other "killer-app" that's only available for Windows, this is a perfect opportunity to give Linux a try. If you like the "old stuff" and don't fancy stuff like the ribbon system etc, I think Linux Mint would fit you perfectly. LibreOffice is up to date and have a kind of UI that you will recognize if you are used to the older MS stuff. Safer, even without antivirus software. What's not to like?

You don't have to make the switch all at once either. You could try LibreOffice on your current WinXP installation for example. Why use outdated non-free software when there are free alternatives out there that's better? For me that's a kind of MS love that makes even less sense than the kind that makes you crave all the new stuff, no matter if it happens to be Vista, Win8 or ribbons.

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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 11:06 am 
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dan wrote:
i don't visit bad websites.

Well obviously SPCR isn't one...

I have to question the relevance in the same way everyone else is. The other software you're using may be far more at risk. Windows XP can now be considered mature so even if it is not updated it still may be more secure than a more modern Windows with all of its new bugs. Plus, in terms of software support, virus authors are just as likely to be dropping support for an OS that few people might be running.

Switch to Linux when you find you need to upgrade!

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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 1:51 pm 
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edh wrote:
I have to question the relevance in the same way everyone else is. The other software you're using may be far more at risk. Windows XP can now be considered mature so even if it is not updated it still may be more secure than a more modern Windows with all of its new bugs. Plus, in terms of software support, virus authors are just as likely to be dropping support for an OS that few people might be running.

While you are correct that 3rd party software is the most likely cause of problems even on XP, your assertion that it could be more secure than newer versions is false. Vista and up have two very important security features that XP lacks: Not running as admin by default and ASLR. Those two features make security holes in 3rd party apps harder to exploit. XP can be run as non admin, but it is harder because it doesn't have any OS hooks to help poorly behaved applications.

Don't expect AV software to help, it is greatly overrated. Knowing what you are doing and having a secure OS & browser will be far more effective in stopping viruses than any AV.

Besides the security updates, if you have a reasonably modern PC (Core 2 and up) with enough RAM 7 and 8/8.1 are faster than XP. They even run well on even slower PCs if the HD isn't terrible and the video card is at least DX9. If you have more than 3 GB of RAM than the 64 bit versions of 7 or 8 are obvious choices over XP.


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 5:49 pm 
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my thinking right now is to continue as is until the pc crocks. as in i turn it on and it no longer powers.

then upgrade :)


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:24 pm 
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Dan, you do know that you can get W7 to look and feel amazingly like XP, and performance wise there is a point where you notice no difference, and then a more recent point where W7 is faster than XP. Stability wise I have found W7 to be the most reliable OS I have ever used.

As much as I loved XP and refused to Install W7 on my own machine for about the first year of its existence, there is no going back for me now. This leaves XP firmly in the position of my 2nd favourite OS, with various other some distance behind.


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 5:57 pm 
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As long as it works for what you want to do, stay with it. Personally i just enjoy windows 7 much more than XP.

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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 3:39 am 
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The only way I would say that I "enjoy" W7 more than XP is that because its much faster on my PC, and I get DX10/11 goodness. The only other part of W7 that comes close to "enjoyment" is the dead simple "Windows + arrow keys" that makes life so much simpler than sodding around resizing windows, other than that I have W7 setup to look and feel as much like XP as possible and I also installed classic shell to regain the "up folder" button in Windows Explorer.

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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:58 am 
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I have not read the article, only the title.

Might be worth a look if you want to stick with XP.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/702 ... ates-2019/


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 Post subject: Re: i still use windows xp on the desktop
PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:16 am 
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In my personal opinion Windows 7 looks okay and many of the visuals are nice, but some are not. I hate ribbon, I hate the search function for files, I hate the redesign for the multi-window explorer for files, I hate a lot of things.

But I would not go back ever to Windows XP probably, simply because I'm done with it. I'm just better off looking for enhancements or alternatives to Windows 7, than to keep using XP. That's just my experience.

I encountered the same when I quit playing some game (Diablo 2) in favour of its sequel (Diablo 3) and after the switch I lost all appetite for the older game. There is simply no appeal to it anymore for me. This same thing has happened with Windows XP. I could not stomach the design anymore.

So while you (Dan) are insisting that you want nothing else, I'm pretty sure you are just convincing yourself that you are fine with XP while you would honestly like to taste a sweeter fruit.

With food, you can only starve yourself of tasty stuff for so long and your self and your body and your mind will start craving it. Decent, boring food is not enough. You definitely need the sweets and the tastes.

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