wow that was quick. Thanks everyone
Let's see ....
Why not get a cheaper CPU heatsink (Ninja ?) and get an Accelero for the GPU with the price difference ? The Accelero is not hard to install.
Good suggestion, the ninja is hard to get but the mugen-2 is widely available and is less than half the price.
I'll look into the Accelero coolers but I'm not convinced it will turn out better, my current cards' fans never goes over 40%.
1. What kind of use do you put your computer to?
Games, games, some more games and then some
I tend to run a few background processes for various stuff and I'm running virtual machines. Hence the upgrade to a quad core.
2. The PC-V600 provides good cooling for your cards. Even if you do gaming, you really should consider going fanless on the card.
The problem with this case is the psu is partly over the cpu and leaves very little room for the cpu the suck air. To make things worse, the psu sucks air as well blowing it out on the back and I don't believe this works very well and is responsible for half the noise the system makes.
Last but not least, the fan in this case is at the bottom in the front. It blows air inside over the harddisk bay but none of the fresh air actually makes it into the case. The bay with all the drives fitted stops 99% of all airflow. This is proven by the fact that the front of the case (where the fan is and to the sides of it) the case is very cold to the touch. On top-front and to the sides however it is warm and on the top-back and to the sides it can even get hot. At the grated opening on the right side you can actually feel the warm air rising out of it. This case provides no airflow for the cards at all, and all the heat from the cards, memory and chipset rises up in the case to be trapped inside. This case's design defies all logic if you ask me, I don't understand how you can say this case provides good cooling to cards because there is none ....
Concerning the videocard, I've considered clocking it down to stock clock speeds (MSI overclocked it by default) so I could leave the fans at 30% but its not viable. The temps rise towards 90 degrees at which point the screen goes blank (the system still runs just no image).
3. If you don't do gaming, you should consider getting an i3 or i5 clarkdale. If you do away with the video card you can go to a low cost fanless PSU. (by the way if you go with a low cost external fanless PSU, you will have room in the Lian Li case for the Noctua NH-D14.
If I didn't game I wouldn't have that card
. Seriously getting a new mobo is not an option, I would be required to get new memory as well. I recently bought this Asus board because my previous board went haywire. I considered an I5 or I7 but its too expensive. Besides the new line of intels are going to get a new socket, so I'll wait for that instead.
I've had my share of low cost psu's, I won't ever make that mistake again.
4. If you have a loud video card, I don't think the P183 is going to quiet it down much.
Hmm. That is not what I wanted to hear
but I appreciate your thoughts. I was hoping the casing would do a better job of dampening the sound better than my current case does. The Lian Li vibrates (you can feel it when you put your hand on it) and it's audibly more quiet when I close the side temporarily.
5. I realize this might go over your budget, but the money you save on the CPU will buy you a new motherboard. An i5-650 costs $190 on newegg compared to $330 for the Q9650. That buys you a motherboard. And if you really want to use your current video card, you can still choose to do that.
You're forgetting 8GB of DDR3 memory. That is the main reason why I don't want to upgrade because that makes it too expensive. There are a few i5 mobo's out there that accept DDR2 but I don't want to upgrade because as I stated above, the next cpu family upgrade is going to need yet another mobo. I don't really need more cpu power, I figured a quad would handle the multitasking better with background processes and running virtual machines.
The i5-650 should overclock to 4 to 4.2 GHz without juicing up the voltage. Probably going up to 5+ GHz if you like to play around with overclocking. People commonly report 5.5 GHz and higher on air cooling.
I appreciate the suggestions, but I don't want to overclock. If I want faster, I'll dish out more cash. I guess I'm getting too old for that kinda stuff, I just want it to work, be stable and most of all, be quiet
so to recap:
Mugen-2 instead of Ninja?
Are new case fans that much better than the stock ones in the p183?
Passive cooler on a Gtx285/2G? Suggestions?
As suggested by KayDat, when this turns out succesful my harddisks will probably be the next nuiciance. Without having to buy new harddisks, is there anything I can do about it? Put foam around the bays without obstructing cooling? Change the way they are mounted?
Thanks again, I appreciate the responses.