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 Post subject: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:43 am 
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Hello guys,

I'm about to upgrade my current setup, I need a smaller case and a better GPU:

Fractal Design Node 304 Black
Asus H110I-PLUS
Intel i5-2500k
Be Quiet ! Pure Rock Slim
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Mini ITX OC, 3 Go
Crucial MX300, 525 Go, SATA III
Crucial 16GB DDR4-2133 UDIMM
Seasonic X Series 750W


CPU and PSU are from my old setup.

I'm not an hardcore gamer, I use madVR for watching movies (GTX1060 seems fine, 0db at idle) and Autocad for working from home (16GB of ram needed).

HDD will be into a NAS.

What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:08 am 
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Your Intel i5-2500k (LGA1155) will not go with the Asus H110I-PLUS (LGA1151).

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:38 am 
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Vicotnik wrote:
Your Intel i5-2500k (LGA1155) will not go with the Asus H110I-PLUS (LGA1151).


Thanks Vicotnik.

Should I also upgrade the CPU since Mini ITX 1155 are kind of hard to find new with USB 3.0 ?

I may go with the Intel Core i5-6400.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:12 pm 
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Yeah, it shouldn't be hard to sell the i5-2500k. It's still a very good CPU.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:08 pm 
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The Node 304 supports up to a 165mm cooler. While the Be Quiet! Pure Rock Slim is very quiet, the cpu will run ~8-10C hotter than a reasonably priced taller cooler with a 120mm fan.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:03 am 
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justice99 wrote:
What do you guys think?

The Fractal Design Core 500 Black might be slightly smaller, quieter, cooler and cheaper than the more refined Node 304: given that you have no mechanical drives to fill the vertical Node's bays, the Core 500 might be a better pick.

Similar thoughts come for the SPCR-tested Lian Li PC-Q10, while some different trade offs may be done with the ~13litres Silverstone pizza boxes (already tested by SPCR in different flavours), or with the 13litres Raijintex Metis already seen on these forums (look for edh's build). Some expensive specialties are worthy too, in order to squeeze the dimensions (Ncase M1, Dan A4, and similar initiatives).

About the GPU, if you don't game a more frugal (cooler) GTX 1050ti looks like enough for accelerating MadVR.

I second what Steve adviced about the CPU cooler: a slim tower (Kotetsu, NH-U12S, TrueSpirit 120i, Shadow Rock Slim) is what you need for the shoes box-style enclosures.

Eventually, if you can resell with ease your already owned parts, the X-750 looks like a tad unjustified overkill (a waste of low load efficiency and space): a smaller 300-400W unit is what such a rig deserves.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:09 pm 
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Thank you so much for these advices,

The Design 500 is smaller and cheaper, the 1050Ti is also cheaper and better for my use.
I will choose a bigger CPU cooler. Regarding the PSU I'm not sure of the power, it's probably 600W and I may keep it.

Below my new desktop:

Fractal Design Core 500
Asus H81I-PLUS
Intel Core i5-4460 (3.2 GHz)
Be quiet! Shadow Rock Slim
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5, 4 Go
Crucial MX300, 525 Go, SATA III
DDR3 G.Skill Ripjaws X, Rouge, 8 Go, 1600 MHz, CAS 10
Seasonic X Series 750W

At the end I will be buying a completly new desktop...

Thanks again guys!


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:56 pm 
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justice99 wrote:
Regarding the PSU I'm not sure of the power, it's probably 600W and I may keep it.

I'm not sure to have well understood you.
With such a planned rig you're in the 100W ballpark draw, under heavy loads (and the half on average): a relatively cheap Silverstone ST-30SF V1.0 or Be Quiet Straight Power E10 400W (BN230) are more typical candidates for such a low power rig.


justice99 wrote:
Asus H81I-PLUS
Intel Core i5-4460 (3.2 GHz)

Just out of curiosity: why did you look for past generation hw? Do you own it? Or can you grab it with substantial savings?


justice99 wrote:
DDR3 G.Skill Ripjaws X, Rouge, 8 Go, 1600 MHz, CAS 10

I'd avoid tall RAM modules, they just give you compatibility issues: about DDR3 RAM, check for instance the G.Skill Ares or the Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP.


justice99 wrote:
At the end I will be buying a completly new desktop...

I'm afraid that if you need a different form factor (ITX) and different, newer I/O ports, then you're likely going to renovate the whole build.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:25 am 
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Thanks quest_for_silence, I'm not an expert, it's nice to learn everyday:

Fractal Design Core 500
Asus H110I-PLUS
Intel Core i5-6600 (3.3 GHz)
Be quiet! Shadow Rock Slim
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5, 4 Go
Crucial MX300, 525 Go, SATA III
DDR4 Crucial, 8 Go, 2133 MHz, CAS 16
Be Quiet ! Pure Power 9 CM, 400W

The Intel Core i5-6600 (3.3 GHz) is at the same price as the Intel Core i5-6600K, should I pick the K edition?

The PSU will be super quiet right? It has an 120 mm fan.

Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
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justice99 wrote:
The Intel Core i5-6600 (3.3 GHz) is at the same price as the Intel Core i5-6600K, should I pick the K edition?

You need a Z170 motherboard (like the ASUS Pro Gaming) to exploit the K edition potential, so it does not come for free: it's up to your call (budget).


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The PSU will be super quiet right? It has an 120 mm fan.

I don't like the Pure Power 9 series: IMO it's heavily overpriced for its technical merits, and I can't recommend it.
The Straight Power 10 400W is my recommendation (which is also quieter).

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:59 pm 
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Ok I get it, something like the Asus Z170M-PLUS then.

Regarding the PSU, the Straight Power 10 400W is not modular, it wont be a problem to fit all cables into the little case?

Thanks in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
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justice99 wrote:
Ok I get it, something like the Asus Z170M-PLUS then.

No, it's a mATX board, so it won't fit the Fractal Design Core 500.
For an ITX enclosure you need something like an ASUS ROG Strix Z270I Gaming or an ASUS Z170I Pro Gaming.


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Regarding the PSU, the Straight Power 10 400W is not modular, it wont be a problem to fit all cables into the little case?

Mostly no, as seen in the relevant SPCR review, and using tightly secured zip ties you can pack any unused cable tidy and cleanly.

If you mandatorily want a modular one, you have to look for the Straight Power E10 500 CM (BN234): the relevant drawback are mainly two, it is noticeably more expensive (+40% here in Italy over its smaller sibling, whether that matters), and likely a tiny bit less efficient at your expected loads (albeit admittedly not a huge con).

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:29 am 
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Perfect, then it should be good:

Fractal Design Core 500
ASUS Z170I Pro Gaming
Intel Core i5-6600K
Be quiet! Shadow Rock Slim
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5, 4 Go
Crucial MX300, 525 Go, SATA III
DDR4 Crucial, 8 Go, 2133 MHz, CAS 16
Be Quiet ! Straight Power 10 400W

Right?

Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:23 pm 
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cpu cooler

Also, I'd lean toward a dual fan gfx card for another $10. Plenty of room for it in the case. If you like Gigabyte, the next step up is the GV-N105TOC-4GD. It's another un-reviewed card, but the product page says it's passive @ idle.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
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CA_Steve wrote:
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Also, I'd lean toward a dual fan gfx card for another $10. Plenty of room for it in the case. If you like Gigabyte, the next step up is the GV-N105TOC-4GD. It's another un-reviewed card, but the product page says it's passive @ idle.


You are right about the GPU, the GV-N105TOC-4GD is also 0db at idle, thanks.

What CPU cooler should I get then?

Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:27 pm 
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Ah - didn't look close enough to see the Pure Rock Slim got replaced by the Shadow Rock Slim... that'll work ok. Don't know what prices are like where you are, but the Scythe Kotetsu is a few $'s more and is a bit better for thermal and noise. If you plan to OC, then consider a bit more mass and get the Mugen 5, if available, or the Ninja 4 if not. Note that Scythe ships these little washers specifically for Skylake builds...you may or may not need them depending on the thickness of the mobo.

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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade my system : GTX 1060 - Fractal Node 304
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justice99 wrote:
You are right about the GPU, the GV-N105TOC-4GD is also 0db at idle, thanks.

With reference to what Steve said, maybe you overlooked the sentence «It's another un-reviewed card».

As a sound-wise safety measure, it may be better to look to already reviewed cards, the quietest likely being the MSI Gaming X and the ASUS Strix at the moment.
If they are more expensive than the Gigabytes, you may think to further downgrade the GPU, from a 4GB 1050 to a 2GB 1050: given that you don't use it for gaming at high resolution, but as an HTPC card, it should be a well comfortable trade off.
Downgrading to a 2GB card, you may also think to re-invest that possible savings in more RAM (you have just 2 DIMMs, so getting 16Go of RAM may be worthwhile for some applications, like photo or video editing), or perhaps in a larger SSD (750GB or 1TB).


justice99 wrote:
What CPU cooler should I get then?

He just mistook the cooler: the Shadow Rock Slim is a good pick, as well as the other three I mentioned earlier in the thread.
For an oc'ed Core i5 like the 6600K, IMHO those four coolers are still good, as this CPU is about 10°C cooler on load than an oc'ed Core i7 (which would require a beefier cooler, like the Ninja 4 or the Thermalright Macho, IMHO).

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