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 Post subject: Funny/sad SilenX story....
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For a while now I have been waging a private war against false marketing claims involving computer pieces.....mostly SilenX fake claims. I usually E-Mail a company selling their products, and say I might buy a bunch of SilenX fans if only their db and cfm claims can be proven.....as they appear to be misleading at best and outright lies at worst. Most of the time my inquiries are ignored.....sometimes I get a response. Here's the latest reply from the owner of a chain of stores that sell silenX products......

"First of all id like to start off telling you be Man,

Look talking to you is really a waste of time all you want to do is insult and attack without facts why don’t you call silenx and ask them how they determin there cfm and noise levels they told me how they do it so why don’t you find out from the manufacture and stop insulting me calling me a liar and ignorant you talk a big talk over the email and prob. Over the phone too usually people like you in person tend not to shy off and not insult, your personal probs. Are not my business nor do I care to reply to anymore emails from a ignorant lier that’s yellow cause real men don’t talk like that on a phone call or email specially since I have not disrespected you in any way and you have.

"I clearly told you to back off with the insults and tread lightly and watch your step, but clearly you just like to insult people and like a little girly do it over an email or phone your like a dog that barks a lot but does not bite I could bet a million dollars on that I guarantee in person you would melt and not talk to me with that disrespect. If you have another insult to say to me say it to my face I would gladly reinburst you for your plain ticket and my word counts….

So put your money were your mouth is tough guy"

Here's what he was replying to.....

"Sorry but your English is so poor, I am unable to translate most of it. The thing you need to keep in mind is "Truth in Advertising".......it is up to you to be accurate when you quote numbers in your advertising. If you care about truth, publish the test methods used by SilenX on your website. Was the testing done by an independent lab? Were any other fans tested using their method? Can their results be verified by anyone other than SilenX? Of course the answer to the questions is no.......

The truth is not always easy to face......but you have a moral and legal obligation to do so. "

Funny stuff.....most of his replies involved obscene insults that I have not quoted. These are replies to a potential customer who merely asked for verification of some outlandish SilenX claims. Heh.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

I especially like how he (she?) tells you to "be Man!"

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How can he go off like that? You must have said something to really piss him off. Is that the complete conversation you had with him? how did this start?


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No matter what you said that may or may not have precipitated such a response, I always find it distressing that people like that with that kind of attitude own businesses and have employees working for them. Scary.


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I lost the text of my first email to him....but it was like I said, merely asking about the SilenX claims. Used the word "lie" one time, no obscenity. Sounds like he is covering something up.

"Me thinks the man doth protest too much." :wink:

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You evil insulting man!!! :lol:

That's some horribel English. And probibly the most inaccurat answer ever given anyone :lol:

Scaring but still rather hillerius :wink:


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To be honest, I do not approve of the rudeness, but I do not approve Bluefront agenda either. I've said it before and I said it again, I do not approve it because he goes after resellers, not silenx themselves. He says it his post. First of all, that's like curing the symptoms but not the illness, seconds on a more practical note, it is not possible for reseller to test all the fans. What Bluefront is doing is the same as someone came to walmart and asked them to stop selling Tide cleaning detergeant because the "New and improved formula" line on the box is a lie. Walmart cannot possibly verify if it is indeed true, they sell what sells, it is up to the customer to find proper information. Even if they could verify Tide claims, they can't possibly do it for hundreds of thousands of other products they carry. Same with resellers carrying silenx stuff, even if they wanted, they couldn't possibly test the fans to determin how loud/quiet they are. And what do they do if silenx refuses to provide them with testing methodology. In this case I have to agree with the person who responded to Bluefront, why don't you go and ask silenx yourself?


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I think waging a one man war against a brand virtually guaranteed to fail as a strategy. If you dont like what a company advertises, then dont buy their product. Pure and simple. If you wish you can e-mail silentx and explain why you are boycotting them, but there the protest ends. Anything else is just wasting your own time, raising your own blood pressure and there will come a time when your vitreol will just look plain silly. Herding cats is about as produtive and ridiculas.

Product boycotting is a firmly established form of protest, I recall the great nestle boycot over babymilk in Africa really hurt the company on the balance books. I suspect though that a false claim on a box isn't going to mobalise the consuming public to boycot in the same way as babies starving in Africa did.

So unless you can encourage the pc component buying public worldwide to join your cause.....

Your just shouting at windmills!

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If I really wanted to waste energy, I'd contact a Chinese company like SilenX and complain about their advertising claims.

Better to consentrate on USA-based companies marketing products with false specifications pertaining to health-related matters.....noise in particular in the case of SilenX fans. Things are changing rapidly in this country with respect to anything health related.....and how the things are represented. Companies are finding themselves in hot water if they lie about what they market.

Just yeaterday in the USA there was a big government lawsuit decided....Cigarette makers lost a big case. It's only a matter of time till companies like SilenX, using false claims about noise......feel the effects. Basically I'm gathering evidence pertaining to this matter.....I'm not wasting my time. Down the road, everyone will be better off when lying and advertising don't mix...

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Well in that case you are sort of going about it in the right way. But I'm still convinced that your "on to plums"

You could try contacting officialdom with your concerns. In the UK we have the advertising standards agency and trading standards. Perhaps you have the same sort of thing stateside?

In the UK however both of these agencies lack both teeth and balls. Prosecutions are rare, and when successful, penalties are generally light. I dont think in the case you describe for instance advertinsing standards would enforce anything other than a retraction of the advert, and even that I would think is a long shot.

Reason being the vendor is in effect acting in good faith. The figures he quotes are manufacturers specs. As Jackjazzrabit points out its in practical to put the onus of proof on the vendor. The vendor does not have the facility to test manufacturers claims on every product they sell. Nor is putting testing methology into every advert either practical for the vendor or usefull to your average consumer.

Unless you can convince your government to enforce a Code Of Practice on what testing is considered valid for advertising purposes to ensure comparitive results between manufacturers then I dont see any advertising watchdog being able to enforce against either vendor or manufacturer.

There are several powerfull ways to enforce change that the consumer can do.

1. Dont buy the product.. Though you need to educate a large number of people as to the nature of the claims, so that they join your boycott, to effect any change. Even then you may still find out that people dont care. This webby is not the place to drum up this support. The people here clearly are the type that research thoroughly their purchase from a silence point of view. They are by nature going to be more sceptical about these claims anyway. So your preaching to the converted as it were.

2. Join/form an interest group. Companies will listen more to customers who comment if they feel that they can make further sales. So start a fan club of silenx products, then request better products in the next revisions. I suspect that this idea would be a non starter with you?

3. Again if you can drum up enough support, you can selectively boycott a vendor. Ie if you dont stop selling or using silenx's claims for this product then we (a powerful consumer group) will cease to use you as a vendor. This can be used as a tactic to scare vendors off. Once you have been successful with one vendor, others will be nervy at the point of first contact with them. Again though you need a popular movement behind you on this. Frankly I dont think that your cause is emotive enough to gain this support.

The final option is merely to be satisfied by educating people. I am sure that many potential customers have already been lost by silenx because of their suspect advertising. Those consumers that care enough will research their purchases. Those that dont care enough may be happy enough with their purchase from silenx. It is perhaps arrogant to assume that everyone has or even should have the same priorities as users of this forum.

I think the final option is the best. Anything else involves a lot of effort for minimal return. Banging your head off a wall wont get you anywhere but grief and heart disease (or a sore head depending how literal you are in your interpretation of language). Save your energies for a cause that will make your or someones life apreciatively better.

Campaign for peace, human rights, better education, cleaner neighbourhoods, more police on the street, gun control, corporate responsibility, the evironment, against poverty in Africa, higher taxes, lower taxes, equal rights for women (or men) to name just a few. But seriously some causes are just to specialised in the general scheme of things to make it into the public imagination.

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Bluefront wrote:
If I really wanted to waste energy, I'd contact a Chinese company like SilenX and complain about their advertising claims.


Silenx is based in California.

Their "About us" page is good for a laugh though. "It began as a hobby; a group of engineering students in search of silence...But this was 1995 and your average..." and "SilenX has been a privately-owned and operated company in southern California since 1995". :wink: That's pretty funny. In 1995 Peter Kim, the founder/president of Silenx, was 11 years old. Middle school engineering students maybe? The Silenx name was trademarked in 2004, by Kevin Kim, Peter's dad. Peter couldn't trademark it in his name because Peter had just been fired from Ahanix, where he answered phones in tech support. Ahanix were selling products labeled as "Silenx" but had never trademarked the name. Having his dad snag the TM helped Peter avoid going to court over it.

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Ok....I seriously doubt any SilenX products are made in the USA. That's what I mean. They import everything, except maybe the specs. (an international conspiricy ?)

And Blair....are you nuts? We need more guns in this country to protect ourselves from criminals, we need more capital punishment to rid ourselves from evil.And along the way we need a quieter environment with quieter computers...

I can see myself carrying a sign...."less poverity in Africa". ROTFL...

Here's a sample of the SilenX hype used by the website referred to in this thread.....they are comparing a SilenX heatsink which is a perfect copy of a Zalman....to the real thing.

"Compare To Zalman Top Of The Line CNPS7700 All Cooper 120mm Fan CPU Cooler
( Its A No Brainer On This One SilenX Takes Home The GOLD )!!
Fan Speed: 1000-2400 RPM
Air Flow: 35.5~64 CFM +
Rated Current: < 0.20 amp
Bearing Type: Hybrid bearings
Noise: 10-20 dBA
Conclusion When Compared To Zalman = Silenx Fan Spins 400 RPM'S Faster & Still Remains 10 Decibals Lower in
Noise Level."

Anybody with the slightest bit of knowledge in this field would immediately be suspicious. But a person new to computing attempting to quiet his system, might believe this crap. :evil:

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Ok Bluefront, perhaps my suggestions for a new cause were a bit tongue in cheek, knowing your views on a few issues. But my point was valid....

Rusty though highlights a golden rule of campaigning...

Know your enemy!

If this firm is Californian (and it claims it is on its webby) then it must fall under US juristiction. Time to present your evidence. I dont know US law enough, but their must be some consumer protection out there. If you can prove they are lying, then report it. If you can't then as before your stuffed.

I still think if your going to choose the protest route, your not going to achieve anything as an individual. You need to gain some momentum from your campaign and that means educating the pc component buying public.

One thought I had was that Silenx claim to be a major oem supplier. Now over here when stuff gets supplied as oem, the manufacturer takes over legal responsibility for advertising claims to some degree. You could do a bit of research and try and find a major pc manufacturer that is using their product that either...

Parrots their claims.... In which case a whiff of controversy around the claims may encourage them to drop silenx in preference to another manufacturer. That would hurt them.

Or specs the fans differently... In which case you could use this as evidence that silenx's claims on retail packaging are false.

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You know what....I have nothing against the actual SilenX fan themselves. I've never seen or even heard one. My complaint is against the false specs used to sell the things.

This is a difficult problem to solve. Complain to the retailer and he protests, saying he got the specs direct from SilenX. Complain to SilenX and they protest, saying they got the specs directly from the fan manufacturer in China. Complain directly to the factory.....heh. They conveniently don't speak your language well enough to understand your questions.No-win situation....

Check out my edited previous post, containing a sample of the ads from this little retailer....

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Thats one to refer to Zalman.

If the claim is untrue, thier lawyers can fight the case far more effectively than you or I ever could. The advantage in this case (for your cause) is that they have made a like comparison. Differences in testing methologies then become a mute point.

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That's just one stupid retailer, dumb enough to leave himself open to liability. Most retailers don't do this with their ads....they just quote false specs, difficult to prove.

Normally I say...let the buyer beware. But when it comes to matters affecting health, and noise fits right in, there should be strictly enforced rules about specs. The time will come.....

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They are in a market without standardisation; if they aren't saying how they get to their noise figure, then u can't prove they are lying. sure they may need to be 100m under the fan in an underground bunker to get those figures, but legally that wouldn't matter. The PSU market is just as bad (atleast in the low end).

from all i've heard they are quiet, compared to normal fans. even if this is only because they use a resistor. This is sufficient to make noob X believe the claims.

You are going after the wrong target. The resellers are doing nothing wrong (other than replying to your pestering like a child). They are only supplying them because there is a demand. Their job is to make money, and to keep their paying customers happy. stocking silenX doesn't stop them doing this. They are just going to think you are an annoying nutcase, and it doesn't matter to them what silenX spec their fans at.
I suggest a better path would be via education; email the review sites that have tested silenX products; and tell them XYZ that is quieter and cheaper, and that they should test that and compare it against silenX, ignoring specs. yes some are not exactly independant, but u can reply in the discussions about the reviews.
Google for forums where silenX products have/are been recommended; and argue intelligently against them. Only state citable, concrete facts -if u start using words like 'lie' immediately then people will just think you are a zealot, disgruntled about some personal issue; if u just highlight facts, others will deduce that they are liars themselves. new PC builder forums could possibly be the most effective, as IME people tend to take things at face value more easily.

and i'm going to ignore your political views, but just please keep them to yourself more in future please. :roll:

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mb2 wrote:
Google for forums where silenX products have/are been recommended; and argue intelligently against them. Only state citable, concrete facts -if u start using words like 'lie' immediately then people will just think you are a zealot, disgruntled about some personal issue; if u just highlight facts, others will deduce that they are liars themselves. new PC builder forums could possibly be the most effective, as IME people tend to take things at face value more easily.

As soon as someone asks him if he ever used silenx fans and he blurbs that, and I quote Bluefront here: "I've never seen or even heard one" he isn't going to be taken seriously for sure. I agree, silenx claims of <10dBA are most likely false, but it is still extremely amusing to see a person crusading against silenx when he has never used a single one of their products...


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You're missing the point....I am objecting to the use of false noise specs to market computer products, not particularly SilenX, although they appear to be the major offender. Maybe their fans are quiet compared to some other brands....no matter. The specs are misleading (lies) because their own testing procedure is obviously different from other manufacturers.....proven so by the specs published.

Think of a retailer selling a 12oz bottle of something, marketing it as 16oz......wouldn't fly. And the retailer would get in hot water. Same with SilenX products.

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You're missing the point....I am objecting to the use of false noise specs to market computer products, not particularly SilenX


And what mb2 tried to explain to you is that they're not technically false, since they don't publish their testing methodology and there is no standard.

In case of volumes of liquids, there is an established measurement method, and 16 oz of a product is a measurable physical quantity. In case of sound measurements, 14 dBa or 19 dBA on its own doesn't mean anything; as pointed out a small airplane could be 14 dBA measured from a kilometre away. Until there is a mandated standard testing procedure (distance, angle, ambient noise, etc), there's nothing we can do except boycotting silenx ourselves and educating others so that they can do the same.

Nothing prohibits them from using a different testing method than their competitors and publishing their specifications. Sure it's unfair, just as Walmart using its size as a leverage in forcing its suppliers to outsource or go bankrupt is -- but both are legal.

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Also, noise is a very complex phenomenon, in free air a fan might be virtually silent, but put it close to a heatsink and the turbulence noise can rise exponentially.

However, for most other products manufacturers are not allowed to be "economical with the truth" on such an outrageous scale; for example, there are strict regulations governing the measurement of fuel economy of cars, the various tests that have to be done are standardised, and what you end up with is a real-world apples-to-apples comparison. What is really needed is for someone to force a standard on the fan manufacturers, but it just won't happen I'm afraid, there's absolutely no political or industry will to implement such a thing.


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[And what mb2 tried to explain to you is that they're not technically false, since they don't publish their testing methodology and there is no standard.

Actually, SilenX does publish its testing methodology. What it does is measure the sound level at a distance of 1 meter, on the three axes of the fan, and averages the result.

This is different from whatever technique every other fan manufacturer uses, and produces lower numbers - as many people have pointed out. So you cannot compare the noise numbers published by SilenX to those of any other fan manufacturers. But accusing SilenX of not publishing their testing methodology is simply false.

edit: http://www.silenx.com/ixtremaprofans-brochure.pdf is the URL of the brochure on their site. Under "Notes" the very first paragraph explains its measurement methodology. Also, every SilenX fan I have purchased over the past year came with a small "installation" sheet which includes this same information. Far from hiding their measurement method, SilenX puts it right out front for everyone to see. It's Nexus and Scythe and companies like that that not only do not explicitly state that they measure at 1m, but don't tell us if the measurement is on-axis, or something like 45 degrees off-axis.


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Oops. My bad.

I guess it would be somewhat equivalent to weighing one's product on Jupiter, and telling everyone it represents a great achievement of technology since none of your competitors do that :roll:.

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Wow....what a neat way to measure sound. It's different from everybody else, and amazingly makes it ok to claim their fans are the quietest around. Now if they measured other brand fans using their test methods, and were honest with the results, their absurd claims would be believable. Fat chance... :lol:

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Wow....what a neat way to measure sound. It's different from everybody else, and amazingly makes it ok to claim their fans are the quietest around.

I have no idea why SilenX chose their measurement method, since I am neither a confidant nor a mind reader. However, let me speculate:

Suppose that SilenX reasons that the fan makes noise in an environment, in all directions, and that what's important is the average noise in the environment. Sure, standardize on a 1m microphone distance (which they have done), but give equal weight to all directions. Rather than performing an infinite number of measurements, compromise by measuring the noise on three orthogonal axes and averaging the result.

It can be credibly suggested that this gives a reasonable value for the average noise in the environment, at a distance of 1m from the fan. This is not a dishonorable stance. It is a plausible stance. And yes, it does give a lower value than the traditional one-direction measurement (which does not provide a reasonable average value for the noise in the environment).

The other fan makers don't even explicitly state that the microphone distance is 1m (AFAIK), and they don't say what direction the microphone is in for that one measurement. SilenX, which is roundly reviled here, does provide both pieces of information (even though it is commonly and falsely reported here that they do not provide that information).

Okay, I'm a relative newcomer here, but I get the distinct impression that SilenX is not getting a fair shake. Untruths are bandied about re their releasing measurement method info. What gives?


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Okay, I'm a relative newcomer here, but I get the distinct impression that SilenX is not getting a fair shake. Untruths are bandied about re their releasing measurement method info. What gives?


This is likely part of the reason:

http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=21152 wrote:
I) Peter Kim/SilenX
Not well liked on this site. Start here to find out why


On another note... more subjective. For a long while, SPCR has recommended fans that measure around 22 dBA (at 12 V). A number of well-respected quiet fan manufacturers (Antec and Nexus to name a couple) release fans with specifications similar to this level, and quoting roughly the same value in their marketing material. It's not an official standard, but it's there as a reference value.

Then SilenX comes along with their fans spec'ed at 14 dBA or some even at 9 dBA. A couple of SPCR readers get them and report back that they're not significantly quieter than what we've been using previously.

Now, of course SilenX tells you how they measure it, but is an average user going to read that and compare to other companies? No, he'll see the Nexus at 12 V is 21 dBA (or whatever the real value is), the SilenX is 14 dBA and his decision. SilenX benefits.

Let's compare this to a couple manufacturers selling (for a lack of better example) vodka. Let's pretend there's no government regulations. There are a couple on the market that sell a standard 40% by volume, so a litre of vodka contains 400 mL of ethanol and 600 mL of water. A new company decides that 400 mL in 600 mL is really 67%, and so markets their vodka as being 67% alcohol in water. Many "users" would just look at the label and assume that this is the same rating system other companies use... After all, why would they use a different one?

Of course, the fact that SilenX engaged and continues to engage in some shady business such as screwing out QuietPC.com (there's more of that saga on the forums; "Peter Kim silenx" are good search terms to start you off) and claiming on http://www.silenx.com/aboutus.asp that SilenX started in 1995 (when Peter Kim was in middle school) doesn't help the image of a knock-off of a company.

What SilenX is doing is not illegal, but it is misleading and judging by Peter Kim's previous antics may well be misleading on purpose. We have little reason to like them. (Especially as their as-good-as-Nexus fans are more expensive.)

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Felger, you might want to read up on the actual, scientific, standardized methodologies for measuring fan noise. If Silenx really was engineering their own fans, they would just use one of the perscribed standards for noise testing (JIS-C 9603, ANSI S12.11, AMCA 210, etc) instead of inventing their own standard for marketing. But in reality, Silenx probably does as much real engineering as somebody like Thermaltake or Nexus does. They have products built to spec in off-shore factories, rebrand them, and sell at a markup. Their old fans were made by ADDA, whose published ANSI-tested spec's were no where close to what Silenx reported for the exact same fan.

For the record, companies that really do engineer their own fans almost always publish the engineering spec's for them. People like NMB, Jamicon, JMC, Comair Rotron, and Nidec. That's because they sell to OEM's who need real data to ensure that the products they put the fans in to will perform properly. If Hitachi had TV's that overheated and burst in to flames because NMB fudged the airflow specs, or Sun had server racks that couldn't get UL listed because they were over the noise limit because the fan supplier lied about the dBa's,there would be lawsuits. Think about it this way: If Silenx really had a series of fans that had 4 times the airflow/dBa ratio of their closest competitors like they claim to, every PSU, HSF, Case, Cabinet, Enclosure, Appliance, and gadget maker in the world would be buying Silenx fan to put in their products, and Silenx would be making hundreds of millions of dollars a year off of it. YL's are just marginally better than most other fans, and they show up in hundreds of consumer produts. You ever see a Silenx fan in anything besides a Silenx product?


Didn't think so.


And yes, Silenx does get an unfair shake here at SPCR. And they should. After months of trying to use this site as a marketing tool to lie about themselves and their competition, the very president of the company got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Not just some lacky in the PR department...the President of the Company had nothing better to do that sit in his office and post platitudes about himself under a variety of alias' in these forums. That's a big hole of credibility to climb yourself out of. But Silenx could, in theory, if they wanted to. All they'd have to do is send products in for review. If they're as good as their marketing claims they would hold up. The fact that they haven't ever tried to get one of the products reviewed here should speak volumes.

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I think the fact that they haven't sent any products for review says more about how much they expect to get a fair review from us than their confidence in their product or the validity of the (admittedly misleading) marketing claims.

At one point we were supposed to review a SilenX power supply. They backed out with no explanation given.

I don't know the whole Peter Kim story; that was before my time, but I understand that he is no longer associated with the company. Assuming the company is now being run in an ethical manner, I have no issues with SilenX products, and would be quite happy to review one if it came my way. I understand the fans are quite good; I don't know anything about the rest of their product line.


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I'd be quite surprised if SilenX ever sent you any of their fans for review. SPCR has a reputation for honesty.....so if you concluded the SilenX fans were 20db rather than the claimed 12db, they wouldn't have much room to complain.

If you went out and acquired some SilenX fans on your own, found their rediculous db claims to be wrong, they could always claim you had an ax to grind against them, and that your results were rigged. Can't win either way.

So here's my proposal.....since I started this little thread. If SPCR will test a 120mm SilenX fan, comparing it against say a Nexus, a Yate Loon, maybe a Scythe (common fans you have), I will personally pay the cost of the fan and shipping. I can see the title of the article right now....."SilenX Fans and their db claims....True or False?". Maybe a few other people could chip in so you would have a bigger sample population. :D

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Here's a current thread on Anandtech concerning SilenX fans. Maybe the truth is getting out..... :)

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