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 Post subject: D201gly2: product and SPCR review discussion
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:55 am 
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looks like availability soon

http://www.intel.com/products/motherboa ... /index.htm


http://www.buy.com/prod/d201gly2-mother ... 87511.html


the buy.com price is $68 shipped. there will likely be $10 off with google checkout too!

$58!

EDIT BY MikeC, Nov 30/07: Sorry for hijacking your post but since this discussion was so well developed already, I made it the place to discuss SPCR's review of the board as well.


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Completely passive HS this time? Sweet.


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Woot! For that much I might as well give away my D201GLY to a buddy; after some benchmarks of course. Hrmm.. it's odd that on the Intel site, under their supported OS matrix, the D201GLY has support for Linux but not the D201GLY2? Heh.. the D201GLY2 has support for Vista though!! With Intel posting D201GLY Sis Linux drivers and then removing them, I wonder if something was up?


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Nevermind.


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why does the intel page say micro atx, and not mini itx


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nirvanaguy19 wrote:
why does the intel page say micro atx, and not mini itx



mini ITX is a VIA standard. its not officially part of the ATX spec.


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Because both D201GLY and D201GLY2 require ATX12V power supply but ITX is base on older ATX without 4pin 12V connector. And especially D201GLY can take more than 5A from 12V branch.


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Wow that is pretty sweet. If only there was a mini-case with a pico psu, you could build a sweet little machine for sooo cheap.

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Our local distributor announced avalability of Intel® Entry Storage System SS4200-E - seems to be based on a version of D201GLY with 512MB RAM in a case with a PSU and room for 4x3.5" HDDs. Marketed as a Windows Home Server platform.


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Gholam wrote:
Our local distributor announced avalability of Intel® Entry Storage System SS4200-E - seems to be based on a version of D201GLY with 512MB RAM in a case with a PSU and room for 4x3.5" HDDs. Marketed as a Windows Home Server platform.



that is not this board..

http://mswhs.com/2007/10/05/more-info-i ... -ss4200-e/

its a 945gz with a celeron D 420. pretty sweet setup though.


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hans007 wrote:
Gholam wrote:
Our local distributor announced avalability of Intel® Entry Storage System SS4200-E - seems to be based on a version of D201GLY with 512MB RAM in a case with a PSU and room for 4x3.5" HDDs. Marketed as a Windows Home Server platform.



that is not this board..

http://mswhs.com/2007/10/05/more-info-i ... -ss4200-e/

its a 945gz with a celeron D 420. pretty sweet setup though.


wow, that is cool, that is just what i need,


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will this run windows home server and will it fit in the nsk3480?

thanks!


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Bendit wrote:
will this run windows home server and will it fit in the nsk3480?

thanks!


Yes and Yes. I'm thinking the same thing (although it would live in a 4U rackmount server) - I'd love to reduce my 24/7 watt consumption a bit (currently running an undervolted Opteron 144 on an ASRock board - I was looking at replacing it with a T2300E and a i945GTm-VHL). My only concern with the D201GLY2 is that it has 2 SATA ports, a 10/100 NIC and only one PCI slot. So you get to choose - do I add more SATA ports via an add-in card and limit my network speed, or do I install a gigabit NIC card and limit my storage upgradability to USB?

Decisions, decisions. :shock:

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derekva

http://www.amazon.com/3-Port-Serial-100 ... B000I2DRE6
(3-Port Serial ATA & 10/100/1000 PCI Combo Card)


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Bendit wrote:
will this run windows home server and will it fit in the nsk3480?

thanks!



the nsk3480 is not as quiet as the nsk3300. ihave them both. if you want a silent 3480 you'll have to replace the power supply with a quieter one like the neo he


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derekva- Hrmm... I can think of three possible opitions.

1- Price and Image

Toss in whatever miniPCI NIC card you like. I'm not sure if there's an active PCI bridge on the board. But for $28.60 it might be worth playing around with; though I wish I could find more info on it.

I've been looking for a PCI to Dual miniPCI board but all I can find is this for about $70.

2- Add in a PCI to dual CardBus/PCMCIA controller from here. $45

3- Toss in 3 more PCI slots using one of these for $75.


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Some of these Intel products baffle me. I mean they go to all this trouble to give you a 64-bit fairly powerful CPU, then they skimp on ports. Only 2 SATA ports and 1 IDE? A single 100 megabit ethernet? I mean come on. I'd rather they chopped the CPU down a little further and give a few more I/O capabilities. Little boards like this to me are primarily for appliance-level functions like a home-server, not crunching floating-point.

That SS4200-E product looks quite interesting. Eagerly waiting substantive reviews of either of them.

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These Intel mITX boards have got be giving VIA all kinds of trouble. I should talk to my contacts there about the impact of these Intel products into "their" space.

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My big concern with all these m-itx boards, and particularly the VIA ones, is the almost total lack of reviews. VIA makes a ton of different small boards....but just try to find a review or two, or anything other than the mfg specs.

I don't enjoy being the BETA tester on any product, particularly a mother-board. :(

I hope the Intel line is different.....

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MikeC wrote:
These Intel mITX boards have got be giving VIA all kinds of trouble. I should talk to my contacts there about the impact of these Intel products into "their" space.


This is not the first time Intel is selling an mITX board. They made a mini-ITX board with a processor codenamed Shelton a few years ago. I tried to get my hands on one to replace my VIA M10000 with a noisy fan. But it was nowhere to be found in the US. I believe it was sold only in Asia or developing countries for low cost PCs. So the last release did not have much impact on VIA's global market.

It's different this time around as this Intel board is available in the US. If I were VIA I would be very worried about the mITX business. The only thing that VIA has going for them is the feature set like GbE, firewire, and better MPEG2 decoder. But these features alone cannot sustain the 150% or so premium over the Intel board.


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VIA was already in a big trouble. No new product, forever-lived south bridge VT8237x, and barely-lived driver developing status. In the past, huge players such as Intel, AMD didn't pay attention to Mini-ITX; however, the scene is going to change in the near future. From AMD's DTX demostration, and Intel's Mini-ITX board, I guess VIA will be pushed out gradually by market force.

Sadly, but true, especially for a guy who lives in the same island with VIA.


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I can only hope that Intel continues with their ITX offerings; more options, more slots. I realize that these systems are for an alternate market, but they also make sense here. Plus... They're fun to play with and give me an excuse to try out new system variants; PicoPSU, miniPCI, PC/104, CF, 1.8" HD, etc.

I only think that VIA has something to worry about if Intel thinks they have two emerging markets; after offering their ITX line in the states.


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frank2003 wrote:
It's different this time around as this Intel board is available in the US.


Counting chickens a bit early eh? A product pre-listing does not neccessarily equal product in many citizen hands. I agree with previous poster it's darn odd you can't find any substantive reviews of these things.

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i dont see what all the fuss is about. Its just a mini-itx board with a built in celeron processor.

These have been available for years from third party manufacturers.

Check out www.logicsupply.com

and just FYI, power supply connectors has nothing to do with the ITX form factor. Mini-ITX only dictactes the size of the physcial board, and the mounting holes, which BTW match up with ATX cases, so its all backwards compatible. Manufacturers can put whatever power connectors they want on them. Ive seen ones ranging from built on DC/DC converters to old ATX 20pin, all the way up to the current 24pin with additional 4pin connector. Power connectors have nothing to do with the ITX form factor standard.

Only reason intel says micro atx and not mini-itx is because they didnt make the standard. But its been an industry standard for years now.


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Aris wrote:
i dont see what all the fuss is about. Its just a mini-itx board with a built in celeron processor.

These have been available for years from third party manufacturers.

Check out www.logicsupply.com

Yeah, do check out that site, specifically the Intel boards page. Notice anything that stands out? How about the fact that the embedded CPU Intel D201GLY is priced at $70 and all the other boards (by various brands) are $222~$288 -- WITHOUT processor!!!?

That's what the fuss is about. That's why VIA has got be in feeling a LOT of pressure right now.

I'd be the first to say that the D201GLY is not well equipped enough (no SATA?!) but the D201GLY2 corrects that for the same price, and I'd would not be surprised if the embedded Celeron outperforms every processor VIA makes. AFAIK, the Celeron 220 on the D201GLY2 is a stripped down Core 2 Solo. (That, in comparison to most embedded CPU mITX boards (mostly VIA), is like a turbocharged BMW engine in a Mini.)

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Toss in a 8gb 300x compact flash for boot, a pico atx, and a case, you got yourself an excellent web browsing/music pc.
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I'll differ with Mike on Via. The CPU speed I could really care less about. How fast does a device need to be? The Achilles heel of the Via boards has always been their lousy drivers and other built-in components. I've got a couple of old Shuttle SV-24 cubes at the house and I think I'm going to get rid of them, too annoying to work with.

One thing I would like about going Intel is that I would *hope* driver support would be better. Being a Linux user this is important. Also my Intel-based boards have always been VERY stable. I would wish for a BIOS that lets me downclock the CPU as it's very likely overkill for what I need, or least have very good power-management.

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One thing I would like about going Intel is that I would *hope* driver support would be better. Being a Linux user this is important. Also my Intel-based boards have always been VERY stable. I would wish for a BIOS that lets me downclock the CPU as it's very likely overkill for what I need, or least have very good power-management.


Unfortunately, Intel opted for SIS chipsets and such. If they would make this all-intel, it would be killer for baby linux servers. I don't trust SIS.


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Agreed. Although you can get 2D acceleration to work in most distros and that's the only issue I've seen so far driver wise; and VESA would be fine otherwise. What more would you need for a Linux server in way of drivers?


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For home file server, there's only tiny one shortcoming left, GbE. If D201GLY2 were equipped with GbE, VIA would be crushed immediately. Anyway, I guess it doesn't matter to most people.


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