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 Post subject: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:46 am 
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Came across this when I was browsing for a Mini-ITX board for the in-laws MCE, and it seemed too interesting to pass by - only one in stock :)

Information on this board seems pretty scarce, Asus's website doesn't even have a product page for the HDMI-equipped variant yet. Only difference seems to be the HDMI port though, so this link should provide some details: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_CPU_on_Board/C8HM70I/

The essentials:
Intel HM70 chipset
Intel Celeron 847 ULV CPU, dual-core
Dual SODIMM slots, max 16GB RAM, DDR3-1066
PCI-e x16 slot
1 SATA 3Gb/s port, 1 SATA 6Gb/s port
2 x USB 3.0 ports on back panel

The board was not too expensive, paid around 80 euros for it. Currently I am just using it for testing / playing around, but it will probably end up on a family members desktop at some point. Test system currently consists of:

Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard
1 x 4GB Kingston SODIMM DDR3-1066 module
OCZ Vertex2 60GB SSD
bequiet PurePower L7 350W PSU

The CPU is cooled by a heatsink attached with pushpins, and a 40mm fan on top. The stock fan runs @ 4300rpm (apx) and sounds quite 'buzzy'. The motherboard has a 3-pin header for the CPU fan (monitoring only, no "smart" BIOS controls for fan voltage), and a 4-pin PWM header for a system or case fan - this does support Asus' 'Q-Fan' control system though.

With the stock fan, the CPU temperature reading just sitting in the BIOS is apx. 30C. This is on an open testbench (Lian Li T60), 22C ambient. I replaced the stock CPU fan with a Scythe Mini Kaze 40mm, 10mm height fan - at 12V this does apx. 3500rpm. This is a lot quieter, and does not exhibit the same buzz as the stock fan. I have since put a 9V resistor on the Scythe, which helps even more.

Will update this thread with some more details when I have time to test some more ... Am planning to test Netflix HD streaming in Windows 8, Blu-Ray playback with Arcsoft TMT5 and maybe a little stress testing of the CPU (Prime95 or similar). Will measure power draw as well.

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Gramkow


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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:33 am 
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Very interested to know the power draw on this, please let us know when you have a chance :D


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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:50 am 
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Tested it briefly over the weekend - the PSU I am using currently is only 80 Plus certified, so efficiency at really low loads isn't too good, so I won't go by those numbers.

I have an Akasa Crypto case with external 60W PSU arriving later this week - will test again when I get it fitted into that.

However, temperature measurements (using Asus' own Probe utility) look pretty decent. On the open testbench, running 100% CPU load with Prime95 (one thread for each CPU core) and running Blu-ray playback over the network at the same, CPU temp stabilized at 45C - up from 35-36C when idling on the Win8 desktop... Bodes well for decent operating temps when fitted into a case.

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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:03 am 
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I would definitely move to a passive CPU cooler on this and then have a zero moving part PC. Maybe there is no off the shelf passive cooler but with a little modification I'm sure many CPU coolers could be made to fit the bolt pattern for this motherboard.

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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:34 pm 
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UPDATE

Got the motherboard and SSD fitted into the Akasa Crypto case today. Replaced the Akasa 50mm system fan with a Scythe Mini Kaze (SY501012M) and put a resistor cable on it - 9 or 7V, haven't measured. It is inaudible at that voltage but still moves a decent amount of air - certainly significantly more that the last Crypto build I did, where I used a 50mm NoiseBlocker fan.

So, power draw and temps. This is the 60W version of the Crypto, which has a smallish 60W power brick - it is quite a bit smaller than the 80W version they also sell.

All measurements taken using a pretty high-quality 'Made in Germany' power meter

Config:

Akasa Crypto Mini-ITX case with 60W external power brick
Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard
Kingston SODIMM 1 x 4GB, DDR3-1066
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD

Idle Windows 8 desktop after disk activity settles down: 19-20 watts, CPU temp 39-40C
Prime95 with both cores loaded @100%, after 45 minutes: 30 watts, CPU temp 50C
Netflix HD playback using Win8 App, 21-22 watts, CPU temp 40-42C
TMT5 Blu-Ray playback, 25-26W, CPU temp 42C

All in all, really impressed with this cheap little build. I did try disconnecting the CPU fan and running Prime95 - temps rose quick to around 60C, and slowly from there up to 73C after apx. 10 minutes, when I stopped the test. So, fanless may not be the best option unless you replace the heatsink with something a bit beefier - or provide better airflow around the heatsink than what the Crypto offers.

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Gramkow


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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:42 am 
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Thanks very much for coming back with those figures!

Personally a massive disappointment, double the wattage of the Intel NUC and right on a DQ77 board with an i3 etc (Huge price difference aside)

I was hoping these would be 10-15w, I've wasted a lot of money on fancy mobile itx boards and processors and unfortunately there seems to be a common theme, unless it is made by Intel efficiency sucks :(


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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:46 am 
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Well, personally I am quite happy with the power draw figures, especially considering the cost of the system as it stands now:

Motherboard with CPU €80
SODIMM 4GB stick €20
60GB SSD €40 on sale :)
Akasa Crypto case 60W €80 including the Scythe 50mm fan

Total system cost was apx. €220 including shipping costs.

Efficiency would probably be a little better with a PicoPSU and class V brick, but I do not have any handy to test with, and it would be €80 spent on a possible 3-4W reduction in power draw.

The NUC itself costs around €300 in these parts, not including storage or memory - even going cheap on both, you're looking at a total cost of apx. €360

If we generalize a bit and say that a NUC would draw on average 10W less both for idle and load scenarios, then the extra power usage per year would look like this:
10W x 24 hours x 365 days / 1000 = 87,6 kilowatts per year
One kilowatt costs apx. €0,29 where I live, meaning the extra power draw would increase my energy bill by 87,6 * 0,29 = apx. €25 per year if the system is running 24/7.
Thus, the extra €140 for the NUC would take at least 5 years of continuous use to recoup on the power bill (all things being equal)...

I know that I am painting in broad strokes here, but the cost of the hardware needs to be factored in when discussing power efficiency and the total cost of ownership.

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Lars


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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:21 am 
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Well, that's one way to see it. You could also say that by spending just a little bit more than that €220 you could have a beefier system (H61+G550 or something) and much the same power draw. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:45 am 
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It's a fair argument. However the current configuration suits the intended purpose just fine for now :-)

Mighty tempted to get a PicoPSU to test with though ... Vicotnik, you have a few of these and live in Scandinavia as well - where do you source yours (including power bricks) ?

Regards,
Gramkow


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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Got hold of a PicoPSU 90 and tried that with the C8HM70-I/HDMI board, to see if the Akasa DC-DC board was to blame for the poor efficiency.

It isn't.

Compared to the DC-DC board in the Akasa, the PicoPSU cut less than one watt off the idle power usage. Both tested with a class V AC adapter.

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Gramkow


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 Post subject: Re: Asus C8HM70-I/HDMI motherboard (Celeron 847)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:55 pm 
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Is there any way to reduce the power consumption by changing settings in the bios while keeping the ability to playback hd content? (e.g. underclock)


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