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 Post subject: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:48 pm 
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Hello.

I'm planning to upgrade my motherboard and cpu and trying to decide between two boards - Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD5H and Asus Z97-A.

I already know that Asus fan control via Fan Xpert is really good and I would definitely get the Asus board however all Asus boards have an annoying problem - the power led blinks when the computer is in standby mode which is really distracting at night with a bright blue led.

This is why I'm trying to decide between getting the Asus board and disconnecting the power led (which would be annoying) or if I should a Gigabyte board that doesn't have this problem but uses the Easy Tune fan control which I'm not sure is as good as Asus' fan control.

The setup it's going in is a Fractal Define R4 case and a Noctua NH-D14 cpu cooler.
I want the computer to be really quiet which is why It's important there's good fan control. What do you think?

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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:50 pm 
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The D14 uses 3 pin fans and the R4 case fans are also 3 pin. Most users would just plug them into the motherboard, treating them all as chassis fans. This would provide idle speeds for the case fans with either board of around 700 rpm, and for the D14 fans of around 700 to 800 rpm. If fan speeds like this are not your idea of a quiet PC then dropping speeds below these levels can only be done by Fan Xpert, and the Asus motherboard would be the automatic choice.

Running CPU cooler fans as chassis fans does seem a waste of the excellent CPU PWM fan control capabilities that these boards have. For example both have a second PWM CPU header, and in the case of the Gigabyte this can be controlled separately. Replacing the R4 case fans with PWM models such as the Noctua or Noctua Redux 140mm models would in a system under PWM control give idle speeds in something like the 350 to 450 rpm range. What to do with the D14 is a bit more complicated. A single Noctua NF-A15 PWM fan would probably be enough. There is an issue that the D14 fan clips don't work with this fan but Noctua support will provide the right clips on request. Alternatively the Noctua NF-P14R Redux will work with the existing clips. Any of these fans like the PWM chassis fans would give idle speeds in the 350 to 450 rpm range, with either the Asus or Gigabyte boards.

The bottom line is that going the PWM route would cost money, and the absolute minimum spend at Amazon.com prices would be around $70 USD plus carriage (2 x Noctua Redux NF-P14s PWM, 1 x Noctua Redux NF-P14R PWM, 1 x PWM Y cable). But given the standby issue extending the upgrade budget by this amount would allow the choice of the Gigabyte board and still meet your objective of a computer that is really quiet.


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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:12 am 
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As to the Asus led problem: Use some macgyver duct tape and cover this led.

No need to disconnect the led and risk losing warranty. Just cover it up. Mainboard-makeup :lol:

Thr R4 does have a built-in fan controller, you could use that for the case fans and let them run @fixed voltage.


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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:23 am 
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Pappnaas wrote:
...R4 does have a built-in fan controller, you could use that for the case fans and let them run @fixed voltage.
This should give something like 500 rpm at the lowest setting, equivalent to 5V. But FanXpert 3 with the Asus board would drop this to around 400 rpm with full fan control rather than just one fixed speed. But then again Fan Xpert 3 can run the Noctua NF-P14S Redux from about 200 rpm upwards, and in a working system I saw 230 rpm idle speeds. This illustrates that Haswell systems need very little cooling under idle conditions. Whether there is any real difference in noise levels between these speeds and the BIOS Silent mode ranges (without Fan Xpert) will most likely depend on the case and fan configuration. The most noise sensitive area for case fans is probably front mounted intakes. But with the R4 I would lean towards uncovering the rear top exhaust and running two exhaust fans, provided PWM fans were used, not using intake fans at all. The R4 has a filtered fan inlet in the floor of the case that should supply a certain amount of intake air in this configuration.

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As to the Asus led problem: Use some macgyver duct tape and cover this led.
Or you could use LightDims. As the name suggests they provide a varying level of light reduction (50 to 80%) and cost about $10 USD. I have used them. They work best on flat surfaces where the led is recessed. But as claimed they can reduce LED light output from annoying to barely perceptible.

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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:15 am 
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Just for reference there are some motherboards, not sure on the new Z97 line, that have an option on the bios to turn off the leds, my MSI has it and i believe my GENE also but never really used it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:10 am 
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If fan speeds like this are not your idea of a quiet PC then dropping speeds below these levels can only be done by Fan Xpert, and the Asus motherboard would be the automatic choice.
Is the Gigabyte board not capable of doing this as well via the Easy Tune software?

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The bottom line is that going the PWM route would cost money, and the absolute minimum spend at Amazon.com prices would be around $70 USD plus carriage (2 x Noctua Redux NF-P14s PWM, 1 x Noctua Redux NF-P14R PWM, 1 x PWM Y cable). But given the standby issue extending the upgrade budget by this amount would allow the choice of the Gigabyte board and still meet your objective of a computer that is really quiet.
How low could I get in terms of rpm with the D14 and R4 default fans using Voltage (without PWM)?

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Or you could use LightDims. As the name suggests they provide a varying level of light reduction (50 to 80%) and cost about $10 USD. I have used them. They work best on flat surfaces where the led is recessed. But as claimed they can reduce LED light output from annoying to barely perceptible.
I would use this but unfortunately in the R4 case this is not possible to due to the ring around the power button and the leveled nature of the second part of the power led as can be seen in this picture: http://www.fractal-design.com/media/794 ... 78204c5680

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As to the Asus led problem: Use some macgyver duct tape and cover this led.
No need to disconnect the led and risk losing warranty. Just cover it up. Mainboard-makeup
I meant to disconnect the power led cable going from the case to the motherboard.


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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:14 pm 
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corimer wrote:
Is the Gigabyte board not capable of doing this as well via the Easy Tune software?
No, Easy Tune offers a few more facilities than the BIOS but it does not improve on the BIOS settings in the way that Asus Fan Xpert 2, 2+ and 3 can. Partly it's because Asus motherboards use additional hardware to achieve this that other manufacturers' boards do not have.
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How low could I get in terms of rpm with the D14 and R4 default fans using Voltage (without PWM)?
Those figures have already been mentioned; without Fan Xpert both boards would achieve around the same levels. But the availability of Fan Xpert for the Asus board could make a big difference.

The only reason for you not to buy the Asus board is the blinking standby LED issue. How important is standby mode to you? Would just turning the PC off cause that much of a problem?


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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:43 pm 
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The only reason for you not to buy the Asus board is the blinking standby LED issue. How important is standby mode to you? Would just turning the PC off cause that much of a problem?
Well I use it all the time, especially with a SSD drive that makes resuming from standby very fast. I do want to use the fan xpert feature so I think I'll go with an Asus board. I figure I can either disconnect the power led or connect the power led to the HDD activity pin instead.

Thanks for your help.


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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:55 pm 
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You might be able to remove the LED itself from the assembly. Then, it's a matter of:
a) replacing it with a dimmer one
b) modifying it
i) apply a filter
- coat it with a black felt pen - not a Sharpie or other permanent marker. If too dark, rub some off.
- diffuse it with a bit of printer paper wrapped around it.

Or, if you can't remove it, try putting a resistor in series with the + lead. Maybe 470 Ohm or so.

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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:00 pm 
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corimer wrote:
I figure I can either disconnect the power led or connect the power led to the HDD activity pin instead.
Fractal Design Define R4 - How to change the power LED
Fractal Design Define R4 - HDD LED addon

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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:01 pm 
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fan control.;
I used to mess with it obsessively. now i find the lowest fixed speed that keep my cpu fro throttling, at my highest usage level. (not some benchmark that pushes my system harder than i would)

led's;
light dims
take led out and paint it, and put it back
take led out, leave it out
masking tape
lithographer tape
lithographers pen
paint pen
duck-tape
nail polish



-or just always wear sunglasses! 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:42 pm 
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Thanks for the suggestions of what to do with the power led, I'll try them when I get the board. BTW, is there any other board maker that has as good a fan controller as Asus' Fan Xpert?


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 Post subject: Re: Gigabyte vs Asus Fan Control
PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:52 pm 
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corimer wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions of what to do with the power led, I'll try them when I get the board. BTW, is there any other board maker that has as good a fan controller as Asus' Fan Xpert?
MSI is pretty solid on bios fan control, but mainly on 4pin PWM which only has 2 headers, the rest are 4pin fake, aka voltage controlled, where its not bad, but cant drop as Asus can. Personally i prefer MSI for other reasons, like not to have to run software to control the fans, and im not too fond of some decision Asus has done with loading AI suite with all their stuff together, none the less Asus FanXpert remains as the best software fan control on the market, aside fron using 3rd party like Speedfan, which can be really good if all sensor are recognized and you want to spend some time tweaking it. AsRock also seems pretty decent, but as MSI mostly on pure bios and with pwm fan headers, their chasis fans are very limited with pre set profiles, at least to what i seen.

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