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 Post subject: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:03 pm 
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For a single user, are there any advantages to a NAS over an external hard drive? I don't play (or store) games or movies, and I don't expect to have much more than about 4 TB of accumulated data in my lifetime.

Is it worth getting a NAS?


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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:14 pm 
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Apples and oranges I'd say. What you need only you can discover. Myself I want a server running 24/7, not just a simple NAS. But I'd say that's a big difference between the two; a disk is just a disk, a NAS is a computer of some sort and can do tasks.

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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:41 pm 
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I'm a single user, built a 140TB WHS2011 and now building an unRaid server (probably around 45tb), different purposes, overall i say really depends on your needs.

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For a single user, are there any advantages to a NAS over an external hard drive?
Automatic backups, automatic upload to 3rd party clouds, restore of backups, surveillance/cameras, plex , torrents, out of the hearing range storage, vitalization... there are tons of applications, but you are probably not in need of any.

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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:20 pm 
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Thanks. Can you boot from a NAS?

Also, can the bays in a NAS be set to different RAIDs?


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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:20 am 
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You most probably can't boot your computer through the network port.

What kind(s) of RAID can be used is up to the specific NAS.

In my view the primary advantage with a NAS over external HDD (connected by USB or eSATA) for you could be placing it in another room. That way you won't hear it and it can provide some reduced risk that both the computer and NAS will be destroyed/damaged at the same time.


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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:45 pm 
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Open to suggestions for an affordable NAS (under $600. US).

I'd prefer a small form factor 2 bay (or 4 bay) with ECC RAM and a self healing file system like Btrfs or ZFS.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:59 am 
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The best thing about a NAS, for a single user, in my opinion - is that malware can't make the NAS unbootable. I don't know about ransomware, but I think that would also be prevented.

And to tie this into the quiet aspect - you can use an SSD in your computer, and keep all the storage on the spinning drives on the NAS - in another room?

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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:19 am 
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whispercat wrote:
I'd prefer a small form factor 2 bay (or 4 bay) with ECC RAM and a self healing file system like Btrfs or ZFS.
Well 2 bay for ZFS dont seem practical, usually the RaidZ are done with multiple drives, more common around 8 but can be done with less just it becomes less efficient. That said only premade that i know that can do BTRFS is Synology, but IIRC they dont come with ECC.

Now remember ZFS is a memory hog, its recommended around 1gb per 1tb of storage, so for example 4x 8tb = 32tb = 32gb of memory. This is one of the main reasons i wont build on ZFS atm, and decide to go with unraid. Second reason is that with ZFS you need to plan your arrays ahead of time, you cant simply add drives as your need increases, like unRaid.

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Open to suggestions for an affordable NAS (under $600. US).
If you truly want to try ZFS, then build your own sever, check FREENAS forums, you will find ton of info there, and lots of builds that you can take into account to build your own.

Or simply go with 4 bay Synology NAS with hybrid raid, this would allow you to grow your array as you need increases, similar to unraid. At some point im going to build a ZFS server, but to me it would be in case a i need a very big throughput on my network and very likely when i migrate to 10ge, for now WHS and unRaid are fine for my purposes.

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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
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Thanks. The only small NAS I've been able to find that has both Btrfs and ECC RAM is the Netgear ReadyNAS 524 series. But It's too pricey. https://www.amazon.ca/Netgear-ReadyNAS- ... adyNAS+524

Then there is this HP Proliant small server. It has ECC RAM, but comes with it's own file system (ClearOS).
https://www.pc-canada.com/item/873830%2DS01.html

Some of the affordable Synology NAS have Btrfs, but no ECC RAM. So, it's somewhat frustrating finding these two things together in a prebuilt.

If I built my own, is it possible to get Btrfs separately?


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 Post subject: Re: Is a NAS worth it for a single user?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:06 pm 
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If you truly want Synology for Btrfs and you want ECC, upgrade it, check The Synology DiskStation DS1618+: When The Great Gets An Upgrade
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The DS1618+ also upgrades the base RAM to a single 4GB DDR4-2133 SO-DIMM. At first glance some readers will quickly note it is non-ECC and dismiss the NAS. But for consumers or businesses that require ECC, the DS1618+ does allow the use of ECC RAM, as well as provide two SO-DIMM slots to populate with up to 32GB of memory. The C3538 is a dual-channel memory processor that will benefit from populating both RAM slots, but just don’t attempt to mix ECC and non-ECC RAM together when optimizing the NAS performance!
Going to Synology DDR4 Memory Module - RAMEC2133DDR4SO-16G
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Synology DiskStation: DS3018xs, DS3617xs, DS1618+
That will give you ECC with Synology, but its expensive, my suggestion is build your own around FREENAS + ZFS, there is a semi compact case coming from Silverstone CS381, boards like AsRock Rack or SuperMicro makes very nice micro atx that are well supported for a server.

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