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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:41 am 
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I heard something about sometime longer initialize procedure on some EcoGreenF1, but that's F2, right?

Here is the sound of my HD502HI

And a graphical representation of this sound:
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Yes, it's a 1.5TB F2. Your drive seems to have similar rattling sound, so maybe it's just a unique feature of F2 series.


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sampo wrote:
Yes, it's a 1.5TB F2. Your drive seems to have similar rattling sound, so maybe it's just a unique feature of F2 series.

Ah, now I see why it is so low at the spindle spinup :D I thought you have a 1 platter model.

But you did say there is a rattling sound even in idle sometimes? Like a heads park?

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Ksanderash wrote:
But you did say there is a rattling sound even in idle sometimes? Like a heads park?


Yes, maybe for one second period tops. The sound is exact copy from the rattling sound.


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For one second longer? I've count 6 periods in this sound. The same as mine, but double longer. Is it disturbing? Do you hear it distinctly? Have you checked the drive for bad sectors? I can recommend Victoria for this purpose.

Never heard such sound in idle... As the HD502HI is very silent drive, I'm not sure if I can hear it even intentionally lending an ear to.

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I meant that the rattling in idle lasts maybe for one or two seconds. I have run almost every possible error check with this drive - no errors. It's about as disturbing as F2 seek noises, I might have to consider WD Green.


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If it is screwed directly in the case, without a sort of suspension, then yes, it may be annoying.

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sampo wrote:
I meant that the rattling in idle lasts maybe for one or two seconds. I have run almost every possible error check with this drive - no errors. It's about as disturbing as F2 seek noises, I might have to consider WD Green.
Hei,

Can you try suspending it and tell us whether the sound is still there?

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I have the F2 currently mounted with Nexus DoubleTwin on upper bay of NSK3480. I also had it inside Scythe box that was sitting on floor. I don't believe that different kind of mounting will eat the noise delta between F2 seek and idle. I guess WD20EADS is a bit too expensive right now, so I'm going to keep the Samsung for couple of months.


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I also have the "rattling sound" on two F2 drives, just like in the recording.

It seems to be firmware related because I just bought an F1 7200 Samsung drive (dated 2009.06) and that also has this noise. Other F1 drives I have with earlier firmware do not have this issue. All drives pass the ESTool tests.

More details here:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18027510

I have a horrible feeling that Samsung have enabled "offline" SMART scans.


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MikeMcr wrote:
I also have the "rattling sound" on two F2 drives, just like in the recording

You mean at the startup? Or sometimes during usual work?

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Ksanderash wrote:
MikeMcr wrote:
I also have the "rattling sound" on two F2 drives, just like in the recording

You mean at the startup? Or sometimes during usual work?


Always at startup for the new drives but only once during use. Probably not surprising if it only happens at idle/boot.


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I ordered 500Gt F2 drive today, but I began to wonder is the 1T drive as quet as the smaller one?

Here in Finland the 500Gt drive costs 46-58€ and the bigger terabyte drive cotst 72-82€. I will test the 500Gt drive as soon as I get it, but if I conclude it to be silent enough, can I order the larger terabyte F2 drive and count on it's silence too?


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psxgamer wrote:
can I order the larger terabyte F2 drive and count on it's silence too?

I don't think so. It is noisier than 500Gb.

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I don't think so. It is noisier than 500Gb.


Every conventional HDD is noisier than the quietest 3,5" drive :) It doesn't mean 1TB is noisy. I can't hear my suspended sample from within Antec Solo.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:18 am 
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Just for info...

My 500G samsung makes exactly the same clunk-click sound at startup. There is a few seconds delay with this noise whilst the drive calibrates ? This I don't mind.. but was very worrying at first. BTW my 1T eco drive in a caddie does exactly the same thing.

However in low use the drive will make a clunk at certain times.. seems random. Like head parking. It can do this if watching a movie or playing some music stored on and playing from the drive. This is really annoying but I guess in a regular non quite pc you would not hear it.

I have run samsung hdtool and no errors reported but I never ran a full surface test.

Also due to the 3-5s start-up delay (calibration noise) the spin up time gets logged in smart at 93 and not 100 which is the default. This is the same value as someone else posted earlier with a screen cap of their smart data.


SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 093 093 011 Pre-fail Always - 3030


This means that some windows based smart tools like active disk monitor for example that display a nice noob health bar for overall smart health... the bar is not at 100% but less due to this delayed spin-up time if that makes sense. I can post a cap if required.

Pitty as these drives are great in every other respect. Can't wait to ditch mechanical hard disks one day !!


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did they arrive with come reallocated sectors?

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I don't think so.... relocated event count is zero...Is that the one to check ?

Here is my smart data from linux smartd. I'll need to boot into windows to get a screen cap of a more friendly readout.



SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 093 093 011 Pre-fail Always - 3030
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 193
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 253 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0025 100 100 015 Pre-fail Offline - 11958
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 530
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0033 100 100 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 193
13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate 0x000e 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
183 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
184 Unknown_Attribute 0x0033 100 100 000 Pre-fail Always - 0
187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
188 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 073 066 000 Old_age Always - 27 (Lifetime Min/Max 14/27)
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 069 065 000 Old_age Always - 31 (Lifetime Min/Max 14/31)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 24263
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 253 000 Old_age Always - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged


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5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0


those two are important.

it wold be even better to check them after

Code:
smartctl -t long /dev/sdx


(be sure to let the disk finish its' testing)

you don't have to reboot in windows. well, you don't have to have windows, too... ;)

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I take it is a non destructive test ? I'll run it sometime. I ran the short version a week after use and it passed ok

# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 320


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yes, non-destructive test - same as short but it tests every single sector and lasts longer :)

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