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 Post subject: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 6:26 am 
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Does anybody have any experience with these two coolers?

I am looking for a CPU cooler for my next build. CPU will be the new Intel Core i7 4790. No overclocking. No gaming. General office use. As such, I don't want to spend a lot. Just enough to keep the CPU reasonably cool and quiet.

I can get the 212X for $45 AUD and the 212 EVO for $37 AUD.

From what I've read the 212X has some slight improvements in the fins and the fan is meant to be better than on the 212 EVO. If I go with the cheaper 212 EVO, I assume I would need to replace the fan with a better one. So, is the improved fan on the 212X good enough that it won't need to be replaced?


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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 7:35 am 
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Haven't seen any reviews or feedback on the X version. I do have to ask: why do you need an i7 for office work? Seems like severe overkill unless by office work you mean 3D modeling, video encoding, or similar heavy duty tasks that will make use of hyperthreaded cores.

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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 6:44 pm 
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CA_Steve wrote:
I do have to ask: why do you need an i7 for office work? Seems like severe overkill unless by office work you mean 3D modeling, video encoding, or similar heavy duty tasks that will make use of hyperthreaded cores.


I plan on running VMs and figured the extra threads will help with performance.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 8:38 pm 
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I would suggest to invest a little more toward a Scythe Mugen 4 CPU Cooler: Scythe Strikes Back or if you are lucky have available the Scythe Kotetsu CPU Cooler: A Compact King

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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:21 am 
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Abula wrote:
I would suggest to invest a little more toward a Scythe Mugen 4 CPU Cooler: Scythe Strikes Back or if you are lucky have available the Scythe Kotetsu CPU Cooler: A Compact King


Unfortunately, neither the Scythe Mugen 4 nor the Scythe Kotetsu CPU Coolers are available in Australia.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 7:39 am 
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Kreed wrote:
...If I go with the cheaper 212 EVO, I assume I would need to replace the fan with a better one. So, is the improved fan on the 212X good enough that it won't need to be replaced?...
Both fans have around the same speed range, nominally 600 to 2000 rpm. The main issue with either fan is that idle speeds are likely to be around 600 to 700 rpm depending on system load and/or ambient temperatures. The 212, in either model, is a budget cooler and apart from the fan this also shows in the mounting system it uses, which in a word is poor and makes fitting far from easy. Spending more money would get you both a better fan and offer the prospect of an improved mount. For example you could consider the Noctua NH-U12S which has a fan which would idle in the 350 to 450 rpm range and has a substantially better mounting system. From PC Case Gear the Noctua cooler is $75. As an alternative the 212 fan could be replaced by the Noctua NF-F12 fitted to the U13S, from PC Case Gear this would cost $29. But if you were to buy the 212 X and add the Noctua fan the total spend would be $74 dollars, with nothing done to improve the mounting system.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:32 am 
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Thanks for your input lodestar. Your argument regarding the cost of the 212X + fan vs the Noctua NH-U12S make a lot of sense. The local PC shops seem to be out of stock on the Noctua NH-U12S. I think I will wait till they come back in stock.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:42 am 
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Looks like pcpartpicker lists a couple of Australian e-tailers.

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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:25 am 
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i guess i'm kind of late in this reply but i've an 'older' haswell i7 4771 + Hyper 212X
here are some stats:
temp1: +27.8°C - this reflects the ambient temp
CPU fan: 2099 RPM (min = 0 RPM)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Physical id 0: +79.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0: +71.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +79.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 2: +76.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 3: +67.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)

i'd say the temps are rather high. in other heavy very intense cpu heavy apps the low 70 (i've tried bitcoin mining via pooler's cpuminer ) is quite often seen. idle temps are around 40deg c

note that this is a test for a short duration <1 min
the app used is open blas
https://github.com/xianyi/OpenBLAS
but that did clock an impressive 151 Gflops for that very *intense* run
./dlinpack.goto 12000 12000
From : 12000 To : 12000 Step = 1
SIZE Residual Decompose Solve Total
12000 : 9.340795e-11 152956.73 MFlops 3363.98 MFlops 151275.38 MFlops

the 'older' Haswells are said to have rather poor TIMs, i'm not too sure if it's still the same for the i7 4790

the good thing about 212X is that it runs pretty much *quiet* at the low 800 to mid range 1500 rpms speeds

it'd seem to me that to get better cooling than this it would mean water cooling which i'm rather hesitant due to possible higher maintenance overheads and that water cooling may mean a *noisier* system

i'd think this cooler is good for what it's worth for *moderate* computing needs where most of the time you don't actually need to run heavy very cpu intense apps

note that for me a bulk of most i'd say > 90% of apps run at decent rather low temps say 65-70 deg C even at 100% cpu loads.
not all apps that show a 100% cpu loads are that intense in driving up cpu temperatures


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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:08 am 
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handmadebox wrote:
it'd seem to me that to get better cooling than this it would mean water cooling which i'm rather hesitant due to possible higher maintenance overheads and that water cooling may mean a *noisier* system


IME a (substantially) better air cooler might shave off 10-15°C, with reference to the 212 and Sandy/Ivy/Haswell.

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 Post subject: Re: Cooler Master Hyper 212X vs Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:49 am 
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Scythe Kotetsu.

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