Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

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Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by fjf » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:33 am

In the review of the FT05 the scythe kotetsu is used, and Lawrence gives some alternatives (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1445-page2.html). To run it semi-passive (with the fan off most of the time), which one would be recommended?. What about the ninja 4?. The FT05 is not huge, and the cooler needs to fit in.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by quest_for_silence » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:47 am

fjf wrote:which one would be recommended?
Any of the SPCR tested (as passive) ones. I guess the Ninja 4 should work well, but YMMV.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by Abula » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:54 am

fjf wrote:In the review of the FT05 the scythe kotetsu is used, and Lawrence gives some alternatives (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1445-page2.html). To run it semi-passive (with the fan off most of the time), which one would be recommended?. What about the ninja 4?. The FT05 is not huge, and the cooler needs to fit in.
My i7 4790K that should be similar to the i7 6700K does get hot fairly easy, i dont doubt you could do a semi passive setup, but you will need a very high temperature if thats your intention, what im trying to say is that i run mine with 3 prolimatech ultra sleek vortex at around 400rpms idle, and even with them on i spike very easily over 50C by simply browsing the web or watching a youtube video, for it to be setup passive, first you will need

1) A fan that can be stopped, IIIRC scythe pwm fans cant on PWM control, i believe you can on voltage control (not recommended on pwm fans). Thermalright TY143A cant be stopped either.
2) You will need a temp like 65C as the theshold, else the fans will start and stop constantly because of the spiking on any given task.
3) You will also need to ramp your case fan to somewhat make the semi passive effective.
4) You will need a motherboard that can stop fans and not go balistic about the cpu cooler being off, Asus with FanXpert allows this by using the tuning option and then selecting the silent profile on fanXpert, this can only be done by none CPU_FANs, you can always use the CHA_FAN (switching to PWM on the bios) and entering the bios to disable the alarm on the CPU_FAN as you wont use it. Not sure if other motherboard can allow you to run semi passive setup.
5) You will need a good cooler, one that can be efficient into dissipating heat without having a direct fan on it (most of the time), the best should be Thermalright HR22 because of its size and spacing between fins that allow air to move more freely. Recommended the fan to use here is the Noctua NF-P14R 1500PWM, this fan does allow stopping and should mount easily on the HR22.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by fjf » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:54 am

Thanks, Abula. Yes, I plan on using an Asus mobo. That monster of a cooler should do it, if it is possible at all. The main problem is that the FT05 has a CPU cooler size limit of 162mm, and the Thermalright HR-22 is 159mm tall. Too close. I may try it, though! :D

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by quest_for_silence » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:23 am

fjf wrote:The main problem is that the FT05 has a CPU cooler size limit of 162mm, and the Thermalright HR-22 is 159mm tall. Too close.

There's plenty of height clearance. :wink:

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by Abula » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:50 am

fjf wrote:Thanks, Abula. Yes, I plan on using an Asus mobo. That monster of a cooler should do it, if it is possible at all. The main problem is that the FT05 has a CPU cooler size limit of 162mm, and the Thermalright HR-22 is 159mm tall. Too close. I may try it, though! :D
Don't fear the beast its noble at heart. Seriously, im using a Thermalright Silver Arrow IBE that has a height of 163 mm and it fits fine. don't worry, the HR22 will fit in height. The problem you might encounter is that i needed a long screwdriver to fit the top middle screw as once the motherboard is inside is a pain to secure it (thats if you install the cpu cooler before mounting the motherboard), remember the FT05 is a very compact case, doesn't have much room to play around, so installing this monster coolers is a challenge, but one that i enjoy doing.

I leave you picture so you get some idea into how much i ended up having,

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Here is my testbench that now holds the HR22 with NF-P14r PWM, so you can get an idea into how it looks and fits in an Asus H170 Pro Gaming,

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If you need more help or have any questions let me know, glad to help.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by Abula » Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:35 am

I do think the HR22 would be the best choice for your setup, looking for a semi passive cooler, as it allows the mounting of a fan and its massive and have very spread fins so allows better air circualtion from fans that are not next to it. That said if you want to try to go fanless on the CPU the best bet is NoFAN95C, im running it on my Cammi build and it manages to keep my i7 4770K under control, but on prime i would easily pass 90C, really depends on your load, but there was one on hardOCP that did go with it, in case you want to consider it.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by edh » Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:48 am

fjf wrote:The main problem is that the FT05 has a CPU cooler size limit of 162mm, and the Thermalright HR-22 is 159mm tall.
Sounds to me more like it's 3mm too short. There is no reason why having clearance against the side of the case is good, if anything it is bad as it means there is a path for airflow that doesn't involve running through the heatsink.

The FT05 is massive from my perspective. :D This is how you put a big heatsink in a small case:
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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by fjf » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:45 am

Interesting pics!. It is amazing how big the ninja looks inside an itx case! :lol: I do not like the concept of a totally fanless CPU cooler. I prefer one with a fan that can be run very slow or stopped, but that can also be run fast if needed.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by Shaderr » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:49 am

Thermalright Le Grand Macho also good option. From these reviews(http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... rand-Macho ) ( http://www.tomshardware.de/thermalright ... 967-3.html ) even better, than hr22. Delliding cpu can also drop temperature about 15-20 degrees.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by Abula » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:27 am

Shaderr wrote:Thermalright Le Grand Macho also good option. From these reviews(http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... rand-Macho ) ( http://www.tomshardware.de/thermalright ... 967-3.html ) even better, than hr22. Delliding cpu can also drop temperature about 15-20 degrees.
Thanks for sharing the link, very interesting that both being almost the same design, although the Le Grand Macho has 1 less heat pipe, but still beats the HR22..... either its a design flaw on the HR22 or it more efficient iwth one less pipe..... either way very interesting results.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by fjf » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:05 am

Funny name, and this one seems interesting...with the airflow in a FT05 should be able to cool down an skylake processor...

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by fjf » Wed May 04, 2016 10:12 am

I finally got a Ninja 4 (I come from a core2duo with an original ninja). The price/performance ratio of those is very good. With the asus mobo I can keep the 2 big case fans and the CPU fan at around 400rpms at rest, and with normal use they never go up. This case keeps everything cool and nice. With prime 95 I can make CPU temp go up to 55ºC, but never goes higher and the fans dont have to go faster. For all practical purposes this build is almost inaudible. The ninja 4 can be run fanless in this case, with CPU temp going up to 85ºC under prime95, but since the CPU fan is silent at 350rpms, I kept it running.

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by Shaderr » Wed May 04, 2016 11:14 am

You keep case fans at 400rpm through bios fan control or through asus fanxpert? Its possible to stop ap181 in bios?

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Re: Best cooler to run a semi-passive i7 6700K on a FT05?

Post by fjf » Wed May 04, 2016 1:49 pm

Yes. I tell you, this is it. BIOS fan control. No need for anything else.

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