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 Post subject: New Samsung HDDs in Q4
PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:46 pm 
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I just sent an email to Samsung about new hard drives being released, and received this concise response:

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Dear Customer,

The next product series(200 GB) will be come in 4Q of this year.
Thank you.


I followed up with a request for more information, but until that comes I assume it will be a P100 product line (100-GB platters) otherwise identical to the P80s we all love so much.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:50 pm 
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That's cool. Hopefully they'll be coming out with 16MB cache drives soon as well...

Did you see the MaXtor 16MB Cache drive yet? Too bad it's MaXtor...probably starts on fire.

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Will be interesting to see how the new samsungs stack up against the new Seagate 7200.8 drives coming out soon. The timing couldn't be better as I'm looking to upgrade my hard drive in the very near future - 120Gb just aint enough anymore :wink:


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agreed.

not only was i waiting for the 7200.8 but i now have the next gen spinpoint.

i hope it is more than a mere capacity/platter increase.

it is my hope that they find ways to make their dirves even more silent. seagate 7200.8 is going from 2.6 bels for the 7200.7 to 2.0 bels for 7200.8.

if the spinpiont uses nidec exclusively and goes from 2.6 bels to 2.0 bels that would be fantastic - that along with 16-32 mb cache and native command queing.


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I'm more worried about heat...

I'm one of the people who isn't bothered by seek noise, and the Seagate 7200.7 is really quiet anyway. If they do become quieter, this would be great - but the smaller capacities will not be available to have a single platter, right?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:45 pm 
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POLIST8 wrote:
I'm more worried about heat... I'm one of the people who isn't bothered by seek noise

Just curious. Your earlier comments about "too bad it's Maxtor" - do you have bad experience with Maxtor drives running hot?


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MaXtors are notorious for running about 5C higher than any other disk. I'm not sure why that is, but I've read it many times and have experienced it on a couple of machines that I built before I discovered SPCR.

MaXtors have pretty much been banned from SPCR and haven't made a product (though the 10th Generation is now out) that is acceptable by SPCR users yet.

I just hope that MikeC gets his hands on a new one to review it. Maybe they've changed their ways!

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CactusInvasion wrote:
dan wrote:
agreed.

not only was i waiting for the 7200.8 but i now have the next gen spinpoint.

i hope it is more than a mere capacity/platter increase.

it is my hope that they find ways to make their dirves even more silent. seagate 7200.8 is going from 2.6 bels for the 7200.7 to 2.0 bels for 7200.8.

if the spinpiont uses nidec exclusively and goes from 2.6 bels to 2.0 bels that would be fantastic - that along with 16-32 mb cache and native command queing.


You, my friend, have read both too much and too little of the upcoming specifications. Official noise specs are not out for the 7200.8 (even though that number is on seagate's site), and that 20bel number is for idling on a single platter. Seek noise and the noise of more than one platter are unaccounted for, and any attempts to get this information has been met with blank stares.

Also remember that absolute noise levels are not the full picture. Power consumption, speed (if a significant difference exists), vibration, and differences between seek and idle levels are all important factors. The samsung actually loses to the 7200.7 when looking at idle noise, remember?


how does the samsung lose to the 7200.7 in idle noise? i heard the nidec sp80 is the most quiet.


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POLIST8 wrote:
MaXtors are notorious for running about 5C higher than any other disk. I'm not sure why that is, but I've read it many times and have experienced it on a couple of machines that I built before I discovered SPCR.

We are using quite a few DiamondMax Plus 8 series HDs at work (low height drive - one 80 GB platter and one head - 40 GB space) and they run 50°C idle. Start a defrag, and... I've seen something like 57°C max. No active cooling, but attached firmly to the 3.5" bay. They seem to withstand it though.

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MaXtors are notorious for running about 5C higher than any other disk. I'm not sure why that is, but I've read it many times and have experienced it on a couple of machines that I built before I discovered SPCR.
That's because maxtor often uses smaller size platters for high-size drives. For example a typical 160Gb drive has only two platters 80Gb each, Maxtor on the other hand often uses 3 platters 60Gb each. Of course such drives run significantly hotter than their two platter counterparts. Otherwise Maxtors have the same temperatures as any other hard drive...

They seem to withstand it though.
For the time being... :roll:


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