Devonavar wrote:
Those who wear burqas should not be shirking requests from police to revleal their faces is justified bearing in mind that such a request will be perceived as violation of personal privacy.
You believe they would stay at home, if they were not allowed to wear burqas, do you expect they will allow themselves to be humiliated with a strip searches? What if they resist? Should they be consider then as possible criminals in disguise? What kind of law would you use to allow the strip search? Wouldn't the strip search imply they have something to hide?
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This is all about communication and integration. If you want Muslims to integrate, you need totalk to them and make them feel a welcome part of society. Ignoring them and imposing unfair laws on them will not help them integrate; it will alienate them.
Look now, Europeans want nothing more then for them to integrate. We have tried communicating, we have welcomed them with open arms and made everything in our power to make them feel welcomed. It has failed, but not because of our lack of effort. Those who fail to integrate do not want to be part of the European community. They see us as corrupt filthy infidels. Those who wear burqas are not the the moderate muslims willing to integrate. The ones wearing burqa are following strick islamic code. You can reason with them just as easily as you can reason with a Jihad suicide bomber. They feel their moral standards are so much above ours, that they won't lower themselves by engaging in dialogue with us. French people gain nothing from the burning suburbs and cars in France. Swedish people gain nothing from the annual increase of 20% in rapes every year. We gain nothing by the insane income transfers we give to them. We gain nothing from the unsafetyness. So why do you think would we deliberately alienate friendly muslims? The failure in communication is not our fault.
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What I have outlined above is not so far from what the law would do. The result should be the same: People wearing Burqas should bow to the powers that be. The difference is in how the result is achieved. I believe the maxim "It's the journey, not the destination that counts" applies here. Fostering friendship requires reaching out; it cannot be enforced.
You have the same false premise that most of the left wing socialist have had in Europe for a long time. You seem to think, that when a muslim comes to Europe he suddenly adopts European values. Remember these people come from countries where there are no democracies, where things are ruled by force, where women have no rights, were mutilation of children is a normal habit, where compromising is a sign of weakness instead of a noble gesture. They don't shake these habits on the border as they enter the country.
Not all refugees are innocent. When tides of war shift in Somalia the former oppressors and war criminals are suddenly the ones in danger, so they flee the country. It's not a suprise that they continue their violent habits in their new countries. And this is not restricted to just Somalia. It is a hard fact seen in crime statistics of every European country. You can even check it some videos of it from youtube. Search for "happy slapping" and you see the nice new tradition that immigrants have brought. It involves beating, raping or sometimes even murdering innocent unsuspecting people, video taping it and posting it in the internet...
It's it true that the radical muslims are a minority, but the moderate group, that is shown in television condemning terrorist attacks is even smaller minority then the radicals.
Things are going the change quiet alot in the near future here in Europe. Sweden and Denmark already have right wing governments. Right wing is winning elections all over Europe and will continue to win in the future. Denmark already passed new immigration laws and as a result Rikke Hvilshøjs, minister for Refugees, Immigrants and Integration, car was set on fire, while inside her garage. The car and side of the house burned. This is how the islamists "communicate", I can tell you that this is not part of the nordic traditions.
Long story short... We have been exhausted all other options, so we are left with no other choise other then to pass these silly laws.