It is currently Sat May 25, 2013 3:57 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: mini-ITX with AM2!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:47 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:31 pm
Posts: 305
Location: Japan
Reviewed at TweakTown.
Quote:
Being able to run a CPU at up to 3GHz, dual channel DDR-II memory and a much more powerful graphics system makes it the more desirable setup for the digital age. Albatron’s board here has proven that.

Its ability to run dual monitor, dual channel DDR-II memory and the inclusion of digital audio and HDMI ports makes it hard to refuse.

This would make for a very compact configuration...now lets see some innovative mini-ITX cases :wink:

_________________
The 3-Step Overclocking Guides: Sandy Bridge || Bloomfield & Gulftown || Lynnfield || Clarkdale


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:03 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:10 pm
Posts: 218
Location: Toronto
I really like this board, especially for the array of connectivity options on the back. I am hoping to get this board and build a custom case to be a nice little PVR box. By far the scariest part is the price though, expect it to come in at about $300~.

_________________
no method, just madness


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:24 am 
Offline
*Lifetime Patron*

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:16 am
Posts: 1290
Location: en.gb.uk
Ufff. ATI chipsets give me the willies. Nice idea though.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:58 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:35 am
Posts: 332
I can't help but wonder, what market is this product targeting?

HTPC with HTPC support in a mini-itx case with bad airflow? No way, since up until now you can't run an AM2 passively with enough power to play back HD contents which is what this board is suggesting with it's HDMI output.

If the smallest case you can build an HTPC is mATX, then why pay a huge price premium for small size and notebook memory? You an probably build a mATX system at half the cost.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:29 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:07 am
Posts: 316
Location: socal
I think the theory is that smaller is sexier. That certainly is how stuff gets moved off the shelves and into homes in Japan.

I dunno. I rather like the idea of a decently performing mini-ITX system, though as others have said, ACK to the idea of an ATI-based chipset. Would be much better with nVidia, with or without an integrated GPU. So much more Linux-friendly!

You're right about the price premium, frank: as much as I hunger and thirst and lust after building an awesome tiny system around a Nexus Psile or similar, I could build something identical for prolly 1/4 the cost using mATX instead.

_________________
http://soundcloud.com/ioflow
http://ioflow.bandcamp.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:40 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:39 pm
Posts: 524
Location: Denver, Colorado USA
Bah, AMD 690 is a great chipset.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:55 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:07 am
Posts: 316
Location: socal
Bah! Your mom is a great chipset! :D

All joking aside, 690 sucks the watts, and ATI parts are not at all Linux-friendly, which I think should be the entire point of mini-ITX in the first place. :)

I did notice, however, that the article pointed out that it beats the older nVidia 6150. However, nVidia will be releasing an updated GPU soon based on something a little more modern, and in fact I think there's something a step above 6150 available even now. Still, ATI chipsets do seem to be cheaper in price sometimes.

_________________
http://soundcloud.com/ioflow
http://ioflow.bandcamp.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:54 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 8:22 pm
Posts: 2465
Location: Vancouver, BC
nightmorph wrote:
ATI parts are not at all Linux-friendly


Tell that to users of generations of Thinkpads, which mostly use ATI graphics and mysteriously work rather well in Linux...

Personal data points: X31 with Mobility Radeon 7000, Just Worked (tm); X21 with Rage Mobility M, Just Worked (tm).

_________________
Thinkpad X200 – SSD bliss, T60p – loud hard drive, Core Duo whine :(
Nothing endures but change


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:32 am 
Offline
*Lifetime Patron*

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:16 am
Posts: 1290
Location: en.gb.uk
qviri wrote:
Tell that to users of generations of Thinkpads, which mostly use ATI graphics and mysteriously work rather well in Linux...

Personal data points: X31 with Mobility Radeon 7000, Just Worked (tm); X21 with Rage Mobility M, Just Worked (tm).


A full chipset is about more than just the graphics. Personal data point: I bought an R200-based motherboard a couple of years ago to find that USB didn't work under Linux. I had to wait for the next kernel version before I could get on with my HTPC. Strangely enough the NVIDIA board I bought at the same time worked just fine.

Moreover, one of the attractions of the more recent ATI & NVIDIA chipsets is their support for video decoding. Does this work under Linux, I wonder?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:10 pm
Posts: 218
Location: Toronto
nutball wrote:
Moreover, one of the attractions of the more recent ATI & NVIDIA chipsets is their support for video decoding. Does this work under Linux, I wonder?


Sadly no VC-1 or H264 decoding capabilities yet in either chipset (so far as I am aware). For an HTPC setup using those codecs, hardware acceleration could mean the difference between a 2GHz and 1GHz CPU... which would be very significant on a m-ITX board like the KI690.

_________________
no method, just madness


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:06 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:31 pm
Posts: 305
Location: Japan
pipperoni wrote:
nutball wrote:
Moreover, one of the attractions of the more recent ATI & NVIDIA chipsets is their support for video decoding. Does this work under Linux, I wonder?


Sadly no VC-1 or H264 decoding capabilities yet in either chipset (so far as I am aware). For an HTPC setup using those codecs, hardware acceleration could mean the difference between a 2GHz and 1GHz CPU... which would be very significant on a m-ITX board like the KI690.

You are correct, and this is the only beef I have with this board, although it is currently the best onboard GPU, so you have to give them credit.

I believe the first onboard solution with the HW decoding ability will be Intel's G35 with the X3500 GPU. Let's hop Albatron can do something similar with it. :wink:
Quote:
The G35 will be based on Intel's next-generation X3500 Graphics Media Accelerator. Full DX10 support is claimed, including support for Shader Model 4.0. For backwards compatibility X3500 also will support Shader Model 3.0 and Hardware Transform and Lighting (T&L). High Resolution DVD playback is also featured, with support for both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray playback. X3500 also is said to support HDMI and DVI. MPEG2 and VC1 1080i/p are also supported by the Intel Clear Video feature of X3500.


Just for reference, here is some info on the 690G video decoding abilities from anandtech
Quote:
For video acceleration features, the X1250 is capable of hardware acceleration of MPEG2 and WMV playback. MPEG4 playback decode is not hardware accelerated, but it is supported in software via the driver. DVD and TV (both SD and HD resolution) playback can be offloaded from the CPU, but we have seen some severe choppiness or blank screen issues with HD media formats at 1080p - although 720p worked fine. AMD has indicated that this issue will be addressed in a future driver and the chipset is fully capable of 1080p output with an upper end CPU and proper software support.


And here is some info on nVidia's newest solution, the 7050PV.
Quote:
The PureVideo standard incorporates a hardware accelerator for the afore mentioned MPEG-2/DVD, and Microsoft Windows Media High Definition Video standards (WMV9 HD).

Quote:
The 1080P version of the Discoverers video chews up a bit more system resources between 15-20%. That's still peanuts compared to what a non-accelerated high definition video would use, and you have a ton of resources free for whatever else you're doing.

_________________
The 3-Step Overclocking Guides: Sandy Bridge || Bloomfield & Gulftown || Lynnfield || Clarkdale


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:59 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:50 pm
Posts: 5
has anybody successfully got this motherboard running in linux with 1080p or even 720p output through either DVI or HDMI.... and have they managed to get Digital Audio to work with Dolby Digital on the coaxial or optical audio outputs to their 5.1 or 7.1 surround receiver? all under linux.

I'd love to see that working with any linux distro and VDR or even MythTV. Also toss in a DVB card too for High Def satellite (FTA of course ;) )

if that is possible with this motherboard I'd buy it in a heart beat and drop it in a Nexus Psile Mini-ITX case!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:31 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon May 08, 2006 4:36 am
Posts: 497
Location: Linköping, Sweden
Kurt2 wrote:
has anybody successfully got this motherboard running in linux with 1080p or even 720p output through either DVI or HDMI
Getting output shouldn't be a problem, the issue would be decoding the HD signal, which is currently done in software only. I'm not sure how much CPU usage it'd take to decode HD mpeg2.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:33 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:50 pm
Posts: 5
well inorder to get the digital audio to work in linux you need the right kernel audio module compiled, and the question is has anybody gotten this sound chip's digital audio out to work in linux and produce dolby digital output for their receiver? I think pretty much any dual core am2 processor can handle 1080p.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:07 am
Posts: 316
Location: socal
Dolby Digital is proprietary technology. Don't look for any Dolby support of any kind, for any sound chip, in the kernel or elsewhere for Linux. It just doesn't exist, and won't in the future, either. Regular digital out, sure, that can be done.

_________________
http://soundcloud.com/ioflow
http://ioflow.bandcamp.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:01 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:50 pm
Posts: 5
you are wrong. AC3 is dolby digital. and that is supported by many things in linux... google it!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group