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 Post subject: Konnetikut's Quad Core P182 [Update III] pg 3 (16 NEW PICS)
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:36 pm 
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Thank You, SPCR!

First off, I'd like to thank everyone here who has made this build a reality. Really, I appreciate it. It was a happy day when I discovered SPCR.

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System Specs:
Case: Antec P182
Power Supply: Corsair CMPSU-520HX
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0
CPU HSF: Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme / Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E
Memory: Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400 2x1GB
Video Card: Gigabyte 8600GT OC Passive
Hard Drive: WD5000AAKS SE16 Caviar 500GB
DVD Drive: Pioneer DVR-212D DVDRW
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2x Yate Loon D12SL-12
Arctic Silver 5
24" SATA Cable

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Lots of Boxes.

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Very nice.

System Pictures updated 9/21/2007

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The innards.

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Bottom chamber.

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Beautiful heatspreaders on the Crucial Ballistix. I love orange :).

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WD5000AAKS. Loud seeks, but overall a nice quiet drive.

Cabling Pictures
For those of you interested in what's behind the back panel...

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Red: DVD Drive. Yellow: Hard Drive - into the hole...

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...and out the back.

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Connected to the WD. Where does the SATA Power come from?

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Here. And how did it get there?

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Like this.

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Pioneer DVR-212D Cabling...

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The full view.

System Stats
Noise
1. WD5000AAKS Seeks
2. Yate Loon D12SL-12 / Tricool Low
3. WD5000AAKS Idle

Planning to get Fanmates.

Performance
Q6600 8x400 3.2GHz
Idle 34-37 / Load 52-57(FAH) 54-60(P95 SFFT) 67-68(TAT)
GPU Idle 50 / Load ~65+?
HDD 42

Coming Soon
- 2x Zalman Fanmate 2 (may cause complications in cabling)
- Nexus fan mounts: to get or not to get?
- Nexus fan absorber (especially middle fan): to get or not to get?

If you have any image requests I'll try and get them for you as soon as I can. :)

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Nice clean build! What are you planning on doing with all that power? I have a suggestion, FOLD FOR SPCR!

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I already fold under another team, but since I owe SPCR one, I can switch over this new quad core for a while. 8)
Using folding name KSERVE.

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Previously, I had the hard drive in the top chamber with one intake in front. HDD was 35, GPU Idle 55 / Load 70+. I felt that maybe this new configuration is better. What do you think? Should I perhaps add another intake? Do I need a bottom chamber middle fan?

Your currnet config is better. 45C for a HDD is great, anything under 50C is OK, some reports even show HDD reliability increasing with moderate temps. So excessive HDD cooling is not needed IMHO.

Nice rig, how do you like that Quad OC'd? I'm really ichin' to get one (especially when doing 3D modeling/rendering).

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Dam fine build really neat and clean :-) excellent job Nice temps too :-) well done :-)

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miahallen, if you do 3D work, a quad would be amazing. Coming from a P4 1.8GHz, I have to say I am very impressed with this quad core. I have confidence it would OC much further - I just haven't tried yet :lol:

falcon26 - a compliment from another cabling master as yourself is very encouraging :)

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Ya, nice cabling, just like mine (Check it out in general gallery)

The p182 is great for cabling, my back panel is bulging (literally) with cables.


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How on earth did you get your quad core CPU to run that cool while being overclocked and in a low airflow P182? I have a QX6700 that hits 75C under load at 2.9GHz (moderate overclock) and the same Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme heatsink. I have more fans though (Nexus re-badged Yate Loons). Idle is around 45C.

What are you using to measure the temps with? Note that SpeedFan reports temps for the cores that are 15C too low! CoreTemp seems to be accurate.

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For MoJo:
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I think that my temps seems pretty standard - how did you apply your TIM? What did you use?
EDIT: did a quick search on your posts - seems you've been asked this question already. In that case....I have no idea. Also note that my Q6600 is G0 stepping (BX80562Q6600SLACR - L723A930), so the thermal design is lower than yours. Q6700 is G0, I believe. If you need more details about my setup I'll be happy to provide you with them...


P.S. my back panel is no longer bulging after the little photoshoot. I have no idea why. :P

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Incredible, Konnetikut!

Thanks for the info. I am mystified as to why my system seems to be so hot, even with the side panels off. What software are you using to max your CPUs out? I use the latest Prime95 with multi-core support and the small FFT (maximum CPU heat) test.

I was using Arctic Silver but found I had better results with the Thermalright paste, because the CPU heatspreader is not flat and I don't fancy lapping such an expensive CPU.

PS. Sorry for hijacking your thread. It is a very nice build you have there, very nice.

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Konnetikut,

Very nice and clean implementation. The temperatures and cable management are incredible.

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Cable management got 10 points! Very nice build.


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that's the perfect box! BRAVO!

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Thanks everyone 8)

MoJo: I was using FAH in that particular screenshot.
Here is one with P95 25.4 using small FFT.
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So temps there just hit 60.
No worries about threadjacking, this is all completely relevant to my build :)

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All I can say Konnetikut is that is truly amazing. I know your CPU should run a tad cooler than mine, but it is also considerably overclocked. How you managed those temps I'll never know.

I think perhaps there is a lot of variation between CPUs. Mine is about average I think, but perhaps yours just happens to run very cool. Perhaps the heatspreader is less concave than normal or something.

Very nice build either way.

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Just want to say - superb cabling job there :D


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MoJo wrote:
All I can say Konnetikut is that is truly amazing. I know your CPU should run a tad cooler than mine, but it is also considerably overclocked. How you managed those temps I'll never know.

I think perhaps there is a lot of variation between CPUs. Mine is about average I think, but perhaps yours just happens to run very cool. Perhaps the heatspreader is less concave than normal or something.

Very nice build either way.



Is that with the Scythe S-Flex SFF21E and all the other fans at 12v?

The first post mentions that the Zalman fanmates are coming soon?

Prime95 for ten minutes isn't going to do that much for heating the CPU though. Try Intel TAT tool instead. :shock:

@Mojo: It's probably the variation between the different CPUs.

Have a look at this comparison of the Q6600 (older stepping at stock speed) and the QX6700 CPUs:

http://www.behardware.com/articles/651- ... q6600.html

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Is that with the Scythe S-Flex SFF21E and all the other fans at 12v?


Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E on Ultra-120
Tricool Exhaust -low- plugged to molex
YL D12SL-12 middle fan plugged into SYS_FAN2 4-pin header

Don't know much about voltages, actually :oops:

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The first post mentions that the Zalman fanmates are coming soon?


Correct - then I'll also replace the tricool with another YL.

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Prime95 for ten minutes isn't going to do that much for heating the CPU though. Try Intel TAT tool instead. :shock:


You're probably right - but I've already run it over 24 hours previously and I believe the peak temp was 63. I could give TAT tool a try... :o


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TAT just crashes on my system (fresh XP, updates and drivers) but I find Prime95 results are often 1-2C higher than the old CPU Burn. I'd be worried if TAT could go much higher.

I'm gonna fit a Kama bay to my P182 and see how much difference it makes. If it's still not enough, it will have to be either water or a new case, but I can't decide which.

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Having the fans at 12v just means that they're running at their normal speed.

A Zalman fanmate 2 or something such as a Zalman RC56/RC100 resistor reduces the voltage to the fan slowing the RPM down. :)


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Having the fans at 12v just means that they're running at their normal speed.


The Tricool is on 'low', so I'd assume that isn't 12V.
The YL actually is slower on the 4-pin SYS_FAN2 than on the 3-pin PWR_FAN header. I'd assume that isn't 12V either.

TAT only stresses the first two cores - I think it's built for Core 2 Duo. Is there any way around this?

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Wow, those are some pretty high temps :shock:
No way I'll ever be using my quad like that :)

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According to this SPCR review an Antec Tricool fan on "Low" runs at around 870rpm:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article69 ... ml#tricool

The S-Flex SFF21E on the CPU cooler should be doing around 1230RPM and 51CFM?

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article69 ... html#sflex

MoJo's Nexus CPU fan at 7v should be running at 680RPM and 27CFM approx?

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article69 ... html#nexus

It's worth mentioning as having the extra airflow could help explain the difference in load temperatures between the two CPU coolers. :) The narrow vanes of the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme really seem to benefit from more airflow.

Different room temperatures can make quite a big difference when comparing temperatures too.

I'm not too sure how you'd load all four cores with Intel TAT tool. It's an old program so you probably can't. :(

On the plus side it's only artificial loading that makes the CPU get that hot. In normal use you shouldn't get anywhere near those temperatures. :)


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Konnetikut wrote:
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P.S. my back panel is no longer bulging after the little photoshoot. I have no idea why. :P


Well, you know the camera adds about 10 pounds... :D

Nice work, sir!

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What a great build!

I'm in the process of a build with almost identical components (I'm using 2x500Gb Samsung Spinpoints mounted in the lower chamber) so I'm hugely impressed / grateful for your great illustrated 'how to' guide on cabling the 182!

I have a question for you and other members reading the forum...

What was your thinking behind the decision to mount the upper chamber front fan on the drive cage, rather than removing the cage and mounting it right at the front case opening?

Was it to ensure air flow directly over the Gigabyte gfx card - as opposed to choosing to ensure intake of cool air from outside by mounting the fan at the front of the case?

Is there 'best practice' on the placement of the upper chamber front fan in the P182 I'm not aware of?

I've just started my build this week and mounted my upper chamber fan at the front of the case - without giving the placement much thought. My assumption was that it would be best to draw cool air in from outside, up through gap between the bottom of the front of the case and the case door. Having seen your build I can see logic of where you've positioned your fan, but I think there's also good logic to putting it at the very front of the case...I'd be very interested to hear views on this...


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TAT only stresses the first two cores - I think it's built for Core 2 Duo. Is there any way around this?


Use Prime95 v25.4 (has multi-threading support) or four instances of CPUBurn. On my Q6600 both produced the same temperatures and resulted in the same power draw out of the wall on my system.

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Ok guys... please don't slap me.

I've just got unexpectedly my Evga Ultra KO one day before on the UPS.
And I've just fitted it to my P150 (Solo equivalent), connected 2 PCI-E connectors from my Corsair 620HX. And played one round of Lost Planet on Windows XP, after it my temps:

Using Everest Senson Temp, with Stock GPU Cooling:


CPU X6800 Now is Idling at 27C
And Mobo 43C
8800 Ultra GPU Idles at 65C


Ambient Temperature: 69F

When playing Lost Planet it didn't go past 84C on Load Maximum Settings.

And this is a P150 for Christ sake...
I was right Negative pressure does affect airflow performance.

The 8800 Ultra did in fact increase the heat on the CPU and the Chipset, but for about 2-3 degrees.

I'm ready to build my new 182 rig this weekend.

Did I say the 8800 Ultra stock cooling is quiet enough? It is surprisingly very pleasant, and it only starts wooshing with a very characteristic noise, past 80C but not uncomfortable compared to the ATI 2900 or 1900 Hairdryer!!

I'll post pictures of my current p150 and later my new P182.

This is incredible. I'm not even sure if I should go with the HR03. By far this is one of the best stock cooling GPU's ever owned, and this is coming from an Ex ATI customer.

Oh sorry my current build fro now:

-Antec P150/ modded hole to fit 8800, plus Nexus Damptek on the side and top panel. Some foeam on the bays too.
-Asus P5W DH Deluxe
-Intel Core 2 Extreme x6800 @2.93
-2 DVD Drives
-Bluegears B-Enspirer (Best soundcard to replace the faulty Soundblaster)
-Evga 8800 Ultra KO (running @ 636Mhz default)
- Two WD hard drives running outside the case on SMART DRIVES 2000C enclosures.
-Windows XP Pro

Cheers!

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Hi how does the Pioneer DVD drive performs noisewise??


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Wow, I like your photos (and your system as well).
Especially I like the play with depth-of-field in the HDD shot. What camera and lens were you using?

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It is quiet enough. I mean like any other DVD drive.

But if you ask my honest opinion, I've just got two Asus DVD drives for my machine, and those OMG, are the quietest I've ever tested.

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