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 Post subject: Intel shows off new mini-itx board at CeBIT
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:54 pm 
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I saw this at anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3252&p=8

Scroll down to the bottom. There is a Mini-ITX board from Intel called the DQ45EK. From the name, I am guessing that it will have the upcoming Q45 chipset (the "office" version of the G45). From the picture at Anandtech, it has a normal LGA775 socket and takes standard DDR2 DIMMs rather than SODIMMs.[/url]


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A G45-based variant (DG45FC) is also in the works.

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http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/06/inte ... /#more-292

According to the specs, the back panel ports include DVI-I, HDMI 1.3 and eSATA, and the onboard sound chip supports Dolby Digital Live (real-time encoding of multichannel audio over S/PDIF).

If you're worried about the absence of the VGA port, worry not: the signal is still present on the analog section of the onboard DVI-I connector (that's the meaning of the "-I" suffix) and it can be passed through with a DVI->VGA passive adapter like the ones that typically come with graphics cards.


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I searched in quite a few places, but did not find information on whether the lan speed is 10/100 or 10/100/1000.


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The DG45FC has a Gigabit controller according to the specs.


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More DQ45EK photos:

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From here (linked by yyrkoon on AT).

So, the execs get an eSATA port, too. 8)


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DG45FC photos:

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from HEXUS, linked to by Mini-ITX.com. Thanks to Ajax9000 on AT.


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Yum. The DG45FC has teeny-tiny HTPC written all over it. :D

Love to see a shootout with an 870G.

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Wow a mini-ITX board with dual DVI out. That is pretty cool.


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Very nice. E-sata. DVI+ Display port, 6 USB 2.0 ports, RJ-45 + soundcard input. The connectors are more than impressive in lower one. Display port is nice touch. I like DG45FC

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What about the prior shrinkage? 45nm quads?

Only in the geek world of PCs is shrinkage a good thing. 8)

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That's alright, but how much a piece?


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I was about to make a thread about this. This is what I've gotten so far:

There's going to be two versions, the DG45FC with the following:

  • Intel Core2Duo (1333Mhz FSB)
  • GMA X4500HD Graphics
  • G45 Chip
  • ViiV technology
  • DVI and HDMI output
  • HDDVD and Bluray encoding
  • Two DDR2 800 slots, up to 4GB
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • eSata
  • 6+4 USB ports
  • Optical audio out, and what looks like 8 channel audio capabilities
  • 1 PCIe X1 slot
  • 1 PCI slot
  • 5 Sata ports
  • Supports RAID
  • Slightly more expensive then their desktop boards, but cheaper then other mini-itx boards
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And the DQ45EK based on Q45 chipset
  • Vpro
  • Intel Core2Duo with 1333Mhz FSB
  • Q45 Chipset
  • 2 DDR2 800 slots
  • Dual DVI output
  • PCIe x1 slot
  • 4 Sata ports
  • 1 eSata port
  • RAID support
  • 4-channel audio
  • 6+4 USB

Spec Sheet

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Ashex wrote:
I was about to make a thread about this. This is what I've gotten so far:

There's going to be two versions, the DG45FC with the following:
  • Intel Core2Duo (1333Mhz FSB)
  • GMA X4500HD Graphics
  • G45 Chip
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  • Slightly more expensive then their desktop boards, but cheaper then other mini-itx boards
Spec Sheet

Source

Thanks for the info.

Any guesses as to when (non-VESA) Linux video drivers will be available? I googled, but didn't find anything.

Are these boards targeted toward Industrial computing (and priced accordingly)? They don't seem to be targeted for emerging markets, like the D201xxx mini-ITX. I'm not sure how to interpret the bullet about pricing.

"Slightly more expensive..." -- USD$100 - $125 would be pretty nice.

"...cheaper then other mini-itx boards" -- Very large range of potential prices, some not very cheap.


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I'm working on getting more info, but that's pretty much all I have for the time being. The DG45C is designed for media applications, such as HTPC. the DQ45EK is primarily for desktop applications, workstations, demos, etc.

The pricing I got off the video I linked, which sounds like it'll be in the sub-250 market, ideally sub-200.


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Thanks for the info. Hope they do make the Computex intro schedule and ship fairly promptly. (Intel is pretty good about shipping on-time, unlike Via.)

Pretty impressive little boards.


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The current high cost of most mini-itx boards is a real turn-off (so to speak!).

If this motherboard comes at a good price, it will be a fantastic option for HTPCs. My preference is still for AMD chips (performance is not too much of an issue for me) but for a tiny HTPC, this little motherboard could be tough to beat.


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These look phenominal; look forward to seeing more, possibly with Core2Quad support? :shock: .

Short of a PCI-E 16x slot it's missing nothing, and even then the size makes up for it.

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Intel has confirmed release for June at the Computex Show in Taipei. There's also some more info about Other boards coming out, with an interesting figure of being able to build a system for under 300 for their low-cost boards.


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So what is the lowest power 775 processor? I'm currently running my mini-ITX with no mobo fans and just a single, 5v 80mm case fan. I'd be interested in this if there's an Intel proc that can run with just a basic heatsink and low airflow through the case.

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AZBrandon wrote:
So what is the lowest power 775 processor? I'm currently running my mini-ITX with no mobo fans and just a single, 5v 80mm case fan. I'd be interested in this if there's an Intel proc that can run with just a basic heatsink and low airflow through the case.


Celeron 420. can run passive on the stock heatsink when undervolted. ironically northbridge cooling becomes more important than CPU cooling; also mini-ITX boards unlikely to have any undervolting options in BIOS.

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I am officially drooling. Intel just gave me literally EVERYTHING I needed for a perfect Raid Box. I almost can't believe we've suddenly gone from old sis chipset to a brand new 65nm G45 with gigabit, raid, quad internal sata ports and dvi output. It's a dream come true. THANK YOU INTEL! And I really mean it. This also makes me wonder why the hell amd didn't make a modern updated mini-itx board like this.

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jaganath wrote:
AZBrandon wrote:
So what is the lowest power 775 processor? I'm currently running my mini-ITX with no mobo fans and just a single, 5v 80mm case fan. I'd be interested in this if there's an Intel proc that can run with just a basic heatsink and low airflow through the case.


Celeron 420. can run passive on the stock heatsink when undervolted. ironically northbridge cooling becomes more important than CPU cooling; also mini-ITX boards unlikely to have any undervolting options in BIOS.


Well I'd hope northbridge won't be such a heat issue with a 65nm chipset instead. Personally I'd want an E7200 in the board with undervolting if possible. I can imagine that providing a ridiculous amount of power combined with really low power usage.

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 Post subject: Slashdot: "Atom-Based Mini-ITX Motherboard Available&qu
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Companies have D945GCLF on offer.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/05/20/0014200.shtml
http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Motherboards.html
http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GCLF-Mini-ITX-Motherboard


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I don't like the look of that fan. What gives?


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I don't like the look of that fan. What gives?



the wierd thing is, the fan is on the northbridge.

the cpu is under that little heatsink. its just a 945g chipset, so i'm assuming theres plenty of passive hetasinks that could have worked (my intel microATX g31 board has no fan and most 945g boards do not either).

so i dont get why intel put a fan on it. maybe they had extras left over ?


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hans007 wrote:
the wierd thing is, the fan is on the northbridge.

the cpu is under that little heatsink. its just a 945g chipset, so i'm assuming theres plenty of passive hetasinks that could have worked (my intel microATX g31 board has no fan and most 945g boards do not either).

so i dont get why intel put a fan on it. maybe they had extras left over ?

Your microATX is in a bigger box with one or more big case fans and (possibly) a bigger/better northbridge heatsink. Much better airflow.

A mini-ITX board may well end up in a tiny box with extremely poor air circulation, so they put a fan on the northbridge. I assume that the northbridge has higher heat dissipation than the CPU and the CPU has higher heat tolerance or can step it's throughput down if it overheats.

OTOH, there are mini-ITX 945G boards now. Don't know the cooling requirements. This one appears to have a big northbridge heatsink for a GM (mobile) --
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/i945gmt_fsa Looks like even the southbridge has a heat sink.


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I think "G" is like 22W TDP and "GM" just 7W.
My guess manufacturers just put a fan/big heatsink according to specs not really caring if it's to much--- as long as it isn't to little.


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I'm really not liking this atom board because besides some likely power advantages, it's far too similar to the Intel D201GLY2. There's nothing else that could be considered an improvement, unlike the newer G45/Q45 mini-itx boards, which look like a massive jump. Of course I think we all have different priorities. I'm addicted to having speed, features, and low power :)

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There's nothing else that could be considered an improvement, unlike the newer G45/Q45 mini-itx boards, which look like a massive jump.

You must not be a Linux user... :)

Losing the SiS chipset is a huge advantage over the D201 series, at least for Linux users. There were no good Linux drivers for the D201 SiS boards, and no prospect of drivers in the future.

To be fair to Intel, this board appears to be primarily intended for the ultra low-budget market segment. There will be better Atom-based boards for enthusiasts, but they will cost more. Fair enough.

If you want to lose the northbridge fan, do like the D201 hackers and substitute a better northbridge heatsink.


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You must not be a Linux user... :)

Losing the SiS chipset is a huge advantage over the D201 series, at least for Linux users. There were no good Linux drivers for the D201 SiS boards, and no prospect of drivers in the future.

To be fair to Intel, this board appears to be primarily intended for the ultra low-budget market segment. There will be better Atom-based boards for enthusiasts, but they will cost more. Fair enough.

If you want to lose the northbridge fan, do like the D201 hackers and substitute a better northbridge heatsink.


Ahem, now that's not quite true. I have a distribution of linux sitting on my htpc/lanbox right now :) I've never used a Sis chipset though ;)
Certainly this board is nice for pure budget/power needs. It's just nowhere near a G45 that is out of the box fanless and full of features.

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