Scythe Giant Ninja [CeBIT 2008]
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At every tradeshow, every company competes for attention. Spending all the big $$ to be there, they have to make deals and/or get some attention to make it worthwhile. Scythe has been showing absurd creations at shows for years. Like this one from last June...
I think all the recent absurdly huge heatsinks from Scythe indicates that it's getting harder to keep growing the DIY heatsink business.
I think all the recent absurdly huge heatsinks from Scythe indicates that it's getting harder to keep growing the DIY heatsink business.
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Can we pause for a moment and consider the CPU, which is what them absurd HSFs cool? Intel and AMD are having to push CPUs with more and more cores at the public at a time when most software only makes use of one core.
Intel is already up to six cores/package across the counter, I believe. If some software ever appears that can actually use all six 100% of the time, we'll be back in Prescott territory again, heatwise. Maybe worse.
The software industry, particularly the HPC segment, has been looking for ways to keep lotsa cores busy (e.g. parallel computing) for a great many years, with mostly no success re: general purpose computing. Aside from gaming enthusiasts (ray-traced graphics), I don't see a role for multicore CPUs on the desktop.
Intel is already up to six cores/package across the counter, I believe. If some software ever appears that can actually use all six 100% of the time, we'll be back in Prescott territory again, heatwise. Maybe worse.
The software industry, particularly the HPC segment, has been looking for ways to keep lotsa cores busy (e.g. parallel computing) for a great many years, with mostly no success re: general purpose computing. Aside from gaming enthusiasts (ray-traced graphics), I don't see a role for multicore CPUs on the desktop.
These 6 core processors wil be 7xxx Xeons, for high end servers. They will run close to 100% all the timeFelger Carbon wrote:Intel is already up to six cores/package across the counter, I believe. If some software ever appears that can actually use all six 100% of the time, we'll be back in Prescott territory again, heatwise. Maybe worse.
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CPU's themselves are becoming more and more efficient and cooler. The fact that a high end quad core can produce less heat than a single core pentium made only 3 or 4 years ago is testiment to the advances in efficiency. The consumers are driving it as well, people are becoming more energy aware and the growing market for near-silent HTPC's and laptops that need to be cool is helping as well.
Heatsinks however seem to still be getting bigger. While this is 90% likely to only ever be a prototype for publicity it does point to the fact that heatsinks arent getting that much more advanced, just adding more surface area and heatsinks.
Theres a limit to what this can do before something new will be needed. Watercooling or things like TEC show that you can do compact cooling still, but its too complicated and expensive right now to really take off. Give it a decade though.
Heatsinks however seem to still be getting bigger. While this is 90% likely to only ever be a prototype for publicity it does point to the fact that heatsinks arent getting that much more advanced, just adding more surface area and heatsinks.
Theres a limit to what this can do before something new will be needed. Watercooling or things like TEC show that you can do compact cooling still, but its too complicated and expensive right now to really take off. Give it a decade though.
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A lot of the higher-end audio applications I work with make use of them, and they come in quite handy, especially when you've got nearly 2GB of 32-bit WAV tracks being processed through multiple FX plugins simultaneously.Felger Carbon wrote:Aside from gaming enthusiasts (ray-traced graphics), I don't see a role for multicore CPUs on the desktop.
Scythe need to learn that the copper base is the reason why their latest products arent very successful. I mean there is a limit to how effective the heatpipes are, all this heat transfer is bottlenecked by the fact that they are using increasingly thicker copper bases.
The thing was that the copper base on heatpipe coolers was for against damaging bare dies... however the day of the bare dies is over as virtually all modern CPUs use an IHS.
The thing was that the copper base on heatpipe coolers was for against damaging bare dies... however the day of the bare dies is over as virtually all modern CPUs use an IHS.
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Hello,
I think that the issues with Scythe Ninja's performance has more to do with poor contact/bonding between the heatpipes and the base (take the recently reviewed Akasa HS as an example of how this should be done), as well as the mounting pins; when a through-bolted backplate is much better.
The thickness of the copper base in and of itself is not the issue, IMO.
I think that the issues with Scythe Ninja's performance has more to do with poor contact/bonding between the heatpipes and the base (take the recently reviewed Akasa HS as an example of how this should be done), as well as the mounting pins; when a through-bolted backplate is much better.
The thickness of the copper base in and of itself is not the issue, IMO.
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It’s not that hard to load 4, 6 or even 8 cores if you are doing Audio or Video recording, editing, transcoding etc.Felger Carbon wrote:Intel is already up to six cores/package across the counter, I believe. If some software ever appears that can actually use all six 100% of the time, we'll be back in Prescott territory again, heatwise. Maybe worse.
The 6 core Intel chip is fabricated at 45nm and if you look at the power consumption of their 45nm process it shows that it’s a non issue unless you are over-clocking.
HD camcorders are now fairly affordable ($500+) and most use H.264 which is very computing intensive so the more cores the merrier. It’s just a matter of using software that supports 4+ cores which is not unusual for this market segment.Felger Carbon wrote:The software industry, particularly the HPC segment, has been looking for ways to keep lotsa cores busy (e.g. parallel computing) for a great many years, with mostly no success re: general purpose computing. Aside from gaming enthusiasts (ray-traced graphics), I don't see a role for multicore CPUs on the desktop.
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I think his point was that not every software can be parallelized. Video/photo/3d vectoring can be parallelized, maybe games if you can put physics/ai on separate threads from the main one. On the other hand you can't really parallelize EAC ripping program because in that case you are limited by your drive speed. Same with most database driven programs, most of the time you're waiting for database response, until you receive data back you can't do anything.smilingcrow wrote:HD camcorders are now fairly affordable ($500+) and most use H.264 which is very computing intensive so the more cores the merrier. It’s just a matter of using software that supports 4+ cores which is not unusual for this market segment.Felger Carbon wrote:The software industry, particularly the HPC segment, has been looking for ways to keep lotsa cores busy (e.g. parallel computing) for a great many years, with mostly no success re: general purpose computing. Aside from gaming enthusiasts (ray-traced graphics), I don't see a role for multicore CPUs on the desktop.
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I only responded because he categorically stated that he sees no role for multicore on the desktop which just seemed plain uninformed.JazzJackRabbit wrote:I think his point was that not every software can be parallelized. Video/photo/3d vectoring can be parallelized, maybe games if you can put physics/ai on separate threads from the main one.
Felger Carbon wrote:I don't see a role for multicore CPUs on the desktop.
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