Antec Skeleton... and P183 & Sonata Elite
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Antec Skeleton... and P183 & Sonata Elite
EDIT BY MIKE CHIN -- Sorry to budge into your post, but SPCR's own coverage of the Skeleton might as well be discussed here, too:
Computex 2008: Antec Skeleton
Also added -- coverage of P183 and Sonata Elite cases.
Uhm... Okay.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=454
Computex 2008: Antec Skeleton
Also added -- coverage of P183 and Sonata Elite cases.
Uhm... Okay.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=454
Like one of the posters on Anandtech said; it has has some potential as a testing station (though there are better imho), but as a "case"? No dust proofing, no airflow management, no muffling of fans/video cards/drive noise, no EMI/RFI suppression.
But, it looks unusual, will probably be over priced and as a result sell ridiculously well.
But, it looks unusual, will probably be over priced and as a result sell ridiculously well.
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I really don't see the use of this. It's not a case, and as a benching table or test system there are way better options. This construction-thingy is not useful for placing hardware, and is way too small to be able to test all kinds of systems with all kinds of cooling. Quick testers in stores test on cartboard or desktops anyway, so they won't use it either.
Add to that the fact that it will probably way overpriced and you've got yourself a product that's a piece of s&*(
Add to that the fact that it will probably way overpriced and you've got yourself a product that's a piece of s&*(
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I think this would be great for people who use their pc's for the absolute basics. It'll save a lot of space as well. Imagine placing one of these right beside your monitor. As for the dust issue, it should be really easy to clean given its size. Blast it with compressed air once in a while and you're good to go. Maybe even HTPC worthy?
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No closed space means: No fans needed...NyteOwl wrote:Like one of the posters on Anandtech said; it has has some potential as a testing station (though there are better imho), but as a "case"? No dust proofing, no airflow management, no muffling of fans/video cards/drive noise, no EMI/RFI suppression.
I think it's quite interesting - with onboard graphics or a passive video card, and an efficient top-down CPU cooler (if it will fit), you'd only need a single fan in the top mounting. With air blowing down and washing outwards in all directions, over a relatively small uATX board, I reckon cooling performance might actually be pretty effective. Perhaps even completely passive would be a realistic option, depending on your ambient temps and where you put it.
Dust needn't be a major issue - in fact, it would be a lot more convenient to keep clean than a regular negative pressure closed case setup. You'd tend to just blow the dust off every time you did the housework (admittedly infrequently in my case). You might even be able to put a filter on the top fan and, assuming you were able to run it quietly and still generate enough airflow, dust wouldn't get much chance to settle as long as the fan was running.
I'm not sure about the EMI thing - I've never encountered any issues with systems running in the open air, but that's not to say they don't happen.
The main problem I see is mounting the HDD quietly, but I imagine a notebook hard drive would mostly eliminate that concern.
I realise that's a lot of guesses and assumptions, but I'd definitely give it a go, if it makes it into production and isn't ridiculously overpriced - it does look good IMHO, and at least Antec's case designers are being a bit adventurous for a change, which is something to be encouraged.
Dust needn't be a major issue - in fact, it would be a lot more convenient to keep clean than a regular negative pressure closed case setup. You'd tend to just blow the dust off every time you did the housework (admittedly infrequently in my case). You might even be able to put a filter on the top fan and, assuming you were able to run it quietly and still generate enough airflow, dust wouldn't get much chance to settle as long as the fan was running.
I'm not sure about the EMI thing - I've never encountered any issues with systems running in the open air, but that's not to say they don't happen.
The main problem I see is mounting the HDD quietly, but I imagine a notebook hard drive would mostly eliminate that concern.
I realise that's a lot of guesses and assumptions, but I'd definitely give it a go, if it makes it into production and isn't ridiculously overpriced - it does look good IMHO, and at least Antec's case designers are being a bit adventurous for a change, which is something to be encouraged.
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It is only a prototype after all..... But if the setup were running hotter components, the top fan blowing downward presumably at a relatively slow speed would probably not be enough airflow. There looks to be too great a distance from the fan to the MB......not to mention the airflow is fighting convection currents.
Looks cute though.... but I bet a final version if ever available, will be quite different.
Looks cute though.... but I bet a final version if ever available, will be quite different.
I think one of the big shelf-type coolers from Scythe, Thermalright, Enzotech etc would be well placed to receive airflow from the top fan, *if* (and it's a big if) they would physically fit... it's a bit hard to tell from the photos. The fins would also be aligned properly for convection purposes, in either rotation, if running passively were attempted.
Perhaps you could have the fan sucking upwards, which would be working with the natural convection currents? If entirely passive cooling wasn't quite adequate, maybe a very slow-running fan would provide enough of a boost to make the difference.
Probably not so good for a high-powered system, but I don't suppose that's its intended purpose anyway...
Perhaps you could have the fan sucking upwards, which would be working with the natural convection currents? If entirely passive cooling wasn't quite adequate, maybe a very slow-running fan would provide enough of a boost to make the difference.
Probably not so good for a high-powered system, but I don't suppose that's its intended purpose anyway...
Let that fan blow upwards, then. This would help improve airflow around all components.Bluefront wrote:It is only a prototype after all..... But if the setup were running hotter components, the top fan blowing downward presumably at a relatively slow speed would probably not be enough airflow. There looks to be too great a distance from the fan to the MB......not to mention the airflow is fighting convection currents.
As to the heatsink choices, those would be pretty simple IMO. There are good parts that would allow simple convection to take care of the heat (just don't use the included fans, or buy TR in the first place). Also, I hear the Accelero heatpipes can be bent pretty easily.
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I like it. I think it has a lot of potential as "computer as art" for the living room based home office. Considering that it's Antec that means it will sell for $200, which means it's too expensive for me to buy. If it was $50-$75 I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat.
Normally I don't like lighting a case but this one screams for some accents - like internally (edge lighting) on the two acrylic side panels and maybe some light for the fan. Set the fan up to flow/blow up and make one of those fake silk "flame lamps" out of it.
The problem I see airflow wise is that the fan is centered on the motherboard, but there isn;t a motherboard out there where the processor sits under that fan. Maybe some acrylic ducting is in order, but again, modding what is already likely to be an expensive case makes it less appealing.
Normally I don't like lighting a case but this one screams for some accents - like internally (edge lighting) on the two acrylic side panels and maybe some light for the fan. Set the fan up to flow/blow up and make one of those fake silk "flame lamps" out of it.
The problem I see airflow wise is that the fan is centered on the motherboard, but there isn;t a motherboard out there where the processor sits under that fan. Maybe some acrylic ducting is in order, but again, modding what is already likely to be an expensive case makes it less appealing.
Even using "passive" heatsinks like the Ninja and Accelero you still need airflow over and above simple convection for them to function properly. And for that you need either a motive force (fan) or targetid ducting for the convection flow and this has neither.No closed space means: No fans needed...
As a test bench/open access platform these look like a better option if not as glitzy.
http://www.xoxide.com/hs.html
Note that modern heatsinks like the Noctua NH-C12P are very efficient, and often optimized for passive cooling. Also, the CPUs have finally gone back to sane energy requirements, so cooling them is easier in general. All you have to do is ditch tower heatsinks, as in this setup they would just trap the hot air. The more "traditional" designs should work well enough, on the other hand.NyteOwl wrote: Even using "passive" heatsinks like the Ninja and Accelero you still need airflow over and above simple convection for them to function properly. And for that you need either a motive force (fan) or targetid ducting for the convection flow and this has neither.
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Has Antec stolen engineers from ThermalTake?
"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life."
-Frank Zappa
AMD + Nvidia chipset easily exceeds power consumption of now buried (thank god) NetBurst CPU PCs.
http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/artikkelit/ ... ad-q9300,2
(rasitus= consumption during wPrime)
And no protection from pets, childs etc...NyteOwl wrote:No dust proofing, no airflow management, no muffling of fans/video cards/drive noise, no EMI/RFI suppression.
But, it looks unusual, will probably be over priced and as a result sell ridiculously well.
"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life."
-Frank Zappa
Only Intels.Modo wrote:Also, the CPUs have finally gone back to sane energy requirements...
AMD + Nvidia chipset easily exceeds power consumption of now buried (thank god) NetBurst CPU PCs.
http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/artikkelit/ ... ad-q9300,2
(rasitus= consumption during wPrime)
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Except that situation is now opposite than during Intel's NetBurst-fiasco and lately AMD's TDP values have been often at the least very "optimistic" while Intel's TDPs are now quite conservative.FartingBob wrote:Actually while AMD does have some power hogs, it also has a line of low power (but still high performance) duel and quad cores. Does intel have a 65w Quad core? Nope.
Power consumption difference between Q9300 and Phenom 9600 PCs is in class of 50W after PSU losses... and Phenom 9600's specified TDP is only 30W higher than that of 9100.
Alternately E8200 dual core (TDP "65W") takes under 30W so it's good bet that four such cores with slightly lower clock frequency stays below 60W. (and E6850 results in those two pages confirm that)
So assuming AMD's TDP for 9100 is honest situation might be from close to even.
That's while there's no doubt which is the one which uses other for wiping toilet seat: AMD's TLB fixed B3 revision top models have bad time with Q9300! (Phenom 9100 is still old B2 stepping)
So looks very probable that point in Phenom 9100 (and other AMD quad cores) is lower price, not lower power consumption and definitely not performance.
Dual cores based to older well tweaked Athlon X2 design (45W TDP) might fare well in power consumption but I don't think they'll have much any chances against performance of E8x00 serie.
no, it has a 50W quad core: Xeon LV L53XX. ok, it's a Xeon but still...Does intel have a 65w Quad core? Nope.
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