It is currently Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:44 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Intel D945GCLF m-ITX: Atom For The Desktop
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:17 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:26 pm
Posts: 11828
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Intel D945GCLF m-ITX: Atom For The Desktop

_________________
Mike Chin,
Editor/Publisher, SPCR
Support SPCR with your donations!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:37 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:15 am
Posts: 623
Location: UK
Link on the final page of review, to this discussion thread, doesn't work :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:43 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:26 pm
Posts: 11828
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
fixed. so go ahead, comment/discuss away! :wink:

_________________
Mike Chin,
Editor/Publisher, SPCR
Support SPCR with your donations!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:43 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:18 pm
Posts: 467
Location: Umea, Sweden.
This is one good idea done completely wrong. The Atom needs to be paired with a specially developed northbridge in order to have any advantage. AMD BE-processor + 780G offers probably ten times the performance with roughly equal power consumption.

It doesn't help to match a tiny 45nm cpu with a 180nm(?) chipset-oven.

_________________
| HP NC6220 | Iomega Desktop Storage USB 500GB |


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:14 pm 
Offline
SPCR Reviewer

Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 8:22 pm
Posts: 561
Location: Vancouver, BC
Hmm... this makes me wary of using this board in my soon-to-be new system. It makes me want to wait until the Atom 330 based systems are released...

_________________
Zxian.org || Kwikpiks.com
Workstation || Server


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:16 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:26 pm
Posts: 11828
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Nick Geraedts wrote:
Hmm... this makes me wary of using this board in my soon-to-be new system. It makes me want to wait until the Atom 330 based systems are released...

Whether this board is suitable really depends on the application. Obvious, a modern media center it's not, and the IGP pulls too much power when it's working. For lots of casual PC users, it would be perfectly good. As someone in a lineup for the Asus EEE BOX + free 22" Asus monitor at NCIX said to me, "The people who would benefit most from this Atom-based PC aren't in the lineup, which is full of geeks who already have lots of computers." His point is that the average casual PC user doesn't need the power of even a budget desktop PC; almost any Atom-based PC would be enough. I think the same can be said of this board. And remember, other than its predecessor, this $70 board is about the cheapest mitx board you can buy. (And no, I didn't stay in the lineup, as I was too late to be among the first 10 that morn.)

_________________
Mike Chin,
Editor/Publisher, SPCR
Support SPCR with your donations!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:28 pm
Posts: 1406
Location: USA
It always seems like Intel either purposely or subconsciously doesn't want these integrated boards to be as good as they could be. Why didn't they use the US15W chipset that they are putting in UMPC? That would idle < 10W. I suppose they want to use the 945G since they have to keep making it for Mac-minis anyway, but isn't Apple ready to switch those over to G45, yet? Also, why do they think the price point is $70? If they charged $100 they could probably give a much better product and it would still be far less expensive than other vendors' alternatives.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:29 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Sun Aug 11, 2002 3:26 pm
Posts: 11828
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
jessekopelman wrote:
It always seems like Intel either purposely or subconsciously doesn't want these integrated boards to be as good as they could be. Why didn't they use the US15W chipset that they are putting in UMPC? That would idle < 10W. I suppose they want to use the 945G since they have to keep making it for Mac-minis anyway, but isn't Apple ready to switch those over to G45, yet? Also, why do they think the price point is $70? If they charged $100 they could probably give a much better product and it would still be far less expensive than other vendors' alternatives.

Somehow I doubt the DIY market is Intel's main focus with these boards. They're more for special app system integrators who used similarly equipped embedded CPU mITX boards from VIA for years -- but paid at least double.

_________________
Mike Chin,
Editor/Publisher, SPCR
Support SPCR with your donations!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:48 pm 
Offline
SPCR Reviewer

Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 8:22 pm
Posts: 561
Location: Vancouver, BC
My project is centered around media applications, but I'm wondering if I'll even need 1080p support for what I'm doing. I doubt that I'll ever be playing that kind of media on the system, and BluRay playback can be handled by the nearby PS3.

The main question is get the $75-80 D945GCLF now, or wait a few weeks until the dual-core version comes out... My impatience is killing me, mostly because I want to finish this project. I've got everything except for the board and I want to start tinkering with software soon.

_________________
Zxian.org || Kwikpiks.com
Workstation || Server


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:09 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:28 pm
Posts: 1406
Location: USA
MikeC wrote:
Somehow I doubt the DIY market is Intel's main focus with these boards. They're more for special app system integrators who used similarly equipped embedded CPU mITX boards from VIA for years -- but paid at least double.

I think you're right. Still, all the more reason to make a more energy efficient product. All those 10W savings add up over the hundreds of thousands if not millions of units sold and they'd still be half the price of Via. Not only that but lower draw means less heat and easier integration for those embedded folks. Again, something tells me that once the Mac-mini finally moves off it, no more 945G. Whether something better or just different, we'll see.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:26 pm
Posts: 1421
Location: Finland
Quote:
By comparison, the D945GCLF's video playback seems like it is hand-cranked by a narcoleptic monkey.
Picturing this made me lol.

_________________
Antec Solo case /w Seasonic S-12 430W, Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-SH2, X2 4850e /w Scythe Ninja, 2x2Gb DDR2800, WD Raptor 150GB, 500GB WD GP in Antec MX-1, BenQ G2400W, Logitech diNovo Laser, Logitech z-680


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:17 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:33 am
Posts: 4
Location: here
Have any one else had any problems with the chipset fan ?

Im getting kind of crazy on mine i have made an adaptor cable
3pin male to 3pin female with an 100ohm resistor on it
it is slowing the fan down from annoying 6400rpm (sounds like an jet engine as original) so with this resistor i get the fan speed close to 4000 rpm
3700-3900 to be exactly.

But i noticed that the fan starts to malfunction for a few days ago
even sometimes it does not want to start until you help it to begin
i have even tried to put some oil in the bronze bearing it keeps the
fan running fine for a few hours then it starts to loose speed again...

Is the fan speed maintained by the bios or something as far as i know
the only fan header which have pwm control should be "sys_fan"

I got so mad today so i did order an new fan from fractal design
40x40x10mm rated at 22dBa...

Happy for any answers =)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: ethernet speed error in article?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:09 am 
Offline
*Lifetime Patron*

Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 50
Location: Berkeley, CA
On pages 1 and 2, the review says it has 10/100 Mbps ethernet. Intel says it's 10/100/1000.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: ethernet speed error in article?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:02 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:00 am
Posts: 471
Location: Puget Sound, WA
Zed Lopez wrote:
On pages 1 and 2, the review says it has 10/100 Mbps ethernet. Intel says it's 10/100/1000.


D945GCLF has a 100Mbps network connection.
D945GCLF2 has a 1Gbps network connection.

The review was for the D945GCLF. :D

-D

_________________
Desktop: Antec P150|Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R|Intel Xeon E3110|2x2048MB PC8500|HR-01|eVGA 8800GT SC|HR-03 GT|Scythe PWM 120mm|Scythe PWM 92mm|WD5000AAKS|Seasonic SS400-HT
HTPC: OrigenAE X11|Intel DG45ID|Intel E8400|2x2048MB PC6400|Scythe Big Shuriken|ATI HD4550|2xATI DCT|80mm Nexus|2TB WD 3.5" SATA + 100GB Seagate 2.5" SATA|NeoHE 430


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:18 pm 
Offline
*Lifetime Patron*

Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 50
Location: Berkeley, CA
Doh! Sorry about that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:52 pm
Posts: 532
Ackelind wrote:
This is one good idea done completely wrong. The Atom needs to be paired with a specially developed northbridge in order to have any advantage. AMD BE-processor + 780G offers probably ten times the performance with roughly equal power consumption.

It doesn't help to match a tiny 45nm cpu with a 180nm(?) chipset-oven.

Has anyone tested power with integrated graphics disabled? Maybe you could forget the integrated graphics and run WHS?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group