danimal wrote:
um, another one of the reasons that it's irrelevant is because your post was idle speculation that you totally failed to back up, as usual.
It is not idle speculation that Obama was told to get mad by his handlers and the liberal media.
Here is one (of many articles) that chides Obama to get mad. This one by Gloria Borger of US News and World Report, a well-known liberal:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/06/02/b ... index.htmldanimal wrote:
nothing you posted there says anything about democrats blocking any legislation.
It says right in the article I posted from the
NY Times:
"Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and
Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing."
It is a commonplace that the liberals in Congress (in addition to Clinton) wanted FNMA to loosen its standards to let poor people buy homes (even if they could not afford them). Only a moron would not understand politics of that, and which constituencies the Democrats were trying appease.
danimal wrote:
Amazing how you change the subject from my statement that a timetable for withdrawing US forces from Iraq was agreed to before Obama took office (true)
You are the one who changed the subject. The person who originally mentioned Iraq implied that Obama cannot deal with the Gulf Oil Spill because he is burdened by the war in Iraq. I correctly pointed out that the war in Iraq (unlike the war in Afghanistan that Obama supports and has expanded) has not been a serious problem for the US since Obama took office, because the withdrawal plan was already in place.
You changed the subject to blame Bush for starting the war, which is not relevant to any issue raised in this thread by others (the question is about Obama's capacity to deal with the Gulf Oil Spill, not about Bush or the origins of the Iraq war).
danimal wrote:
i proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that 1)they lied about iraq, and 2)they de-regulated the hell out of everything.
Apparently you didn't read the part about George Tenet telling Bush not to worry because it was a "slam-dunk" that Iraq had WMD.
Regarding deregulation of everything else, I have documented in excruciating detail (in prior posts) that Clinton deregulated the financial industry that caused the crisis of the last few years, and Clinton failed to reign-in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from their guarantees to buy up worthless loans (unlike Bush and McCain , who both tried to solve the problem).
Whether or not there was some deregulation of the oil industry that led to the Gulf Oil Spill, I have not seen any documentation on that form you or anyone else. If that was the case, why didn't the Democratic controlled Congress (filibuster proof for about a year) or Obama (via executive order) changed it in the first 18 months of his term? I am tired of hearing about all these other problems that Obama had that prevented such changes. What prevented such changes is that they didn't believe any changes were necessary.
Normally. one would think it would be necessary to know the exact cause of the spill before claiming it was the result of deregulation. Also, I would like to see the exact regulation that was repealed that led to the spill. Of course, the "true believers" don't need facts, they know all the answers ahead of time.
It looks to me (on the basis of hearing testimony from workers on the platform) that the oil spill was gross negligence by BP as a result of an attempt to speed up completion of the well and save $750,000 per day they were paying to the drilling contractor (and they were already $26 million over budget). The platform workers said that BP forced the driller to put sea-water down the well, instead of mud that would reduce the wellhead pressure, as is normal procedure. It is doubtful that one can regulate against that kind of recklessness (but I will keep an open mind and we will have to wait for the facts to come out before a final determination can be made).
For someone who like to call me a liar, you sure do make up a lot of facts. And you are a dis-honorable person to boot.