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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:21 am 
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Everything I've heard about the new x-series is it's just a "markettecture" upgrade.
(i.e. marketing exercise)

Till now everything said about these new eight PSUs is "at least" unreliable.

However, the current PSUs are definitely very good so, even if you hasten your purchase, you'd hardly be wrong.

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Actually, the new fanless x-series 460W and 400W Seasonics are much more than marketing exercises. Having put an early production 460 sample through some intense torture testing over the past week, I suspect they might inject new life into this sector all by themselves.

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Oh yeah no doubt there's innovation in the new lower wattage fan-less Seasonics.

But others have commented at badcaps & johnnyguru that it's just a 10w increment for the higher wattage models.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthr ... #post63529
Do you not agree with this assertion?

I hope the new 460 isn't dramatically better than the x-650 in any way aside from noise?
Otherwise I may have to hold onto my wallet a little longer, which I really don't want to do.


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NT wrote:
Oh yeah no doubt there's innovation in the lower wattage fan-less versions.

But others have commented at badcaps and johnnyguru that it's just a 10w
increment for the higher wattage models.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthr ... #post63529
Do you not agree with this assertion?

yes I do.
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I hope the new 460 isn't dramatically better than the x-650 in any way aside from noise?
Otherwise I may have to hold onto my wallet a little longer, which I really don't want to do.
*building a HTPC/PVR

No it's not. With the x650, it might as well be fanless in a typical (or even high power) HTPC because you'll be hard-pressed to push power draw enough to get the fan to start.

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So you're just saying in that sector against similar wattage units they'll be breakthrough...
But against the x-650, aside from perhaps a little more silence at higher loads, there's no improvement?

Sorry just checking :lol:


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NT wrote:
So you're just saying in that sector against similar wattage units they'll be breakthrough...
But against the x-650, aside from perhaps a little more silence at higher loads, there's no improvement?

Sorry just checking :lol:

yup


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MikeC wrote:
The Seasonic has a number of pluses -- casing is sturdier, with thicker metal; all of its cables are detachable; slightly higher efficiency; the patented separation of the lower voltage lines to the back panel PCB. Technologically, it's a more advanced product, even though in actual use, the differences are probably not significant... except maybe during installation (no output cables to wrangle till you're ready), and maybe in longevity, which we won't know about till there's a large enough user base of both products over a couple of years or longer.


Hmm just came across the Anand review, they seem to think the modu87+ 700w is slightly better :?:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3655/seas ... ies-750w/8

On Pg 3 of the comments there's an interesting comment by C'DaleRider
Perhaps there is some truth to what he's saying?

Their review seems to conflict with JG's findings too...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?na ... 5&reid=179


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NT wrote:
they seem to think the modu87+ 700w is slightly better

There's no such a thing as a free lunch.

Opportunity cost is the cost related to the next-best choice available to someone who has picked between several mutually exclusive choices. It is a key concept in economics and in real life too.

So, don't foolish yourself: there isn't any "real very best one" out there, just several pars in quietness for any given amount of DC power (even if other requirements might also matter).

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NT wrote:
MikeC wrote:
The Seasonic has a number of pluses -- casing is sturdier, with thicker metal; all of its cables are detachable; slightly higher efficiency; the patented separation of the lower voltage lines to the back panel PCB. Technologically, it's a more advanced product, even though in actual use, the differences are probably not significant... except maybe during installation (no output cables to wrangle till you're ready), and maybe in longevity, which we won't know about till there's a large enough user base of both products over a couple of years or longer.


Hmm just came across the Anand review, they seem to think the modu87+ 700w is slightly better :?:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3655/seas ... ies-750w/8

On Pg 3 of the comments there's an interesting comment by C'DaleRider
Perhaps there is some truth to what he's saying?

Their review seems to conflict with JG's findings too...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?na ... 5&reid=179


If you had reviewed the modu87+ 600 or 700 would it have had better results than the X-650?
Guess that's too much of a hypothetical.... :(


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Lawrence/Mike minute or two to spare?
Ever so grateful if you can.

All the best.


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NT wrote:
Lawrence/Mike minute or two to spare?
Ever so grateful if you can.

All the best.

u already have my assessment -- no comment on models I have not tested, but this: technology is the same in the series.

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Righto thanks! ...it :)


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Is it just me or does the review now show the Seasonic X-400's review...?


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Is it just me or does the review now show the Seasonic X-400's review...?

Oops! Thanks for that -- fixed!

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