It is currently Sun May 19, 2013 4:18 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:16 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:57 am
Posts: 31
I've recently made some major modifications to my rig, including replacing the noisy fans on my video card with some quiet ones, and changing the positioning of my fans. One of my goals was to add a 120mm fan at the front of my P183 case to blow across the GPU to help keep it cooler and try to vent some of the hot air out the back of the case.

I decided on a 120mm scythe 800rpm fan based on its noise profile. Overall i'm decently happy with its noise output. However, I was sorely disappointed at the results on the GPU. It did not decrease in temperate at all. After placing my hand over the gpu to see just how much airflow was coursing over it from the newly installed fan, I realized that there was almost NO air reaching it. I had to take the fan out, run it bare to find out exactly why - the fan does not blow "straight". Here is what i mean.

Image

Bottom line is, the fan blows most of its air diagonally out to the sides rather than straight ahead. Most of the airflow is hitting either the bay above it where the DVD drive sits, or the separation area below it where the PSU lies. Very little actually goes straight out and hits the GPU.

Now, I can probably counteract this affect by getting a high RPM model that would blow SO much air, that enough will eventually reach the GPU. However, that would defeat the purpose of a nice quiet rig. So my question is, does anyone know of any nice quiet fans that tend to blow more horizontally straight? I assume this has to do with the shape of the blades.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:52 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:47 am
Posts: 393
Location: Bratislava, Slovak Republic
Silverstone Air Penetrators.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:56 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:51 pm
Posts: 595
Location: Gefle, Sweden
Moving air naturally expands into calm areas so this is the same for any similar construct. The increased airflow through the case will still be of general benefit, but to achieve significantly improved cooling for a graphics card you can either make some sort of duct(cardboard is popular) or put a fan close up to the card. A few fans have incorporated grates that helps guide the airflow in a more straight line like the Silverstone Air Penetrator. They aren't low speed however and forcing air through a shaping vent invariably leads to some level of increased noise. Better to simply move a fan close to where it's needed, in my opinion.

If the card really needs more direct airflow that is. :)

_________________
i5-3570K at 4.1 GHz Turbo+ HR-02 Macho + Slip Stream 140/500, Sapphire HD 7950 Dual-X (quiet), Fractal Design Define R4 chassis + 2x FD Silent Series R2 at 5V front intakes + TY-140 rear exhaust. 2 SSD's and a Seagate 4TB (ST4000DM000) HDD for storage, Seasonic X-650.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:34 pm 
Offline
Friend of SPCR

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:53 am
Posts: 1263
Location: CT
Cardboard ducts work wonders :)

_________________
Main/gamming : Antec Solo|X-650|Asus P5Q-E|Intel Q9550@3.4GHz|HR-01 Plus 120mm Nexus @6V|Corsair 2x2Go XMS2 DHX cas 4 @4-4-4-12|Exhaust Nexus 120mm @9V|Intel X25M G2 160Gb|Samsung 1TB in SQD|2xGigabyte GTS450 OC (@900/1900/3800)|GPU fan 120mm Nexus @6V
HTPC/folder/Storage : Silverstone|E5300 with Samurai-Z|2Go RAM|GTX460@800|2x1To WD EARS|Intel X25M G2 80Go

Fold with SPCR


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:37 pm 
Offline
*Lifetime Patron*

Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 9:09 am
Posts: 1523
Location: Northern California. Way too close to 101.
Dyson FTW....:lol:
http://www.mydysonfan.com
Image

Image

_________________
“Listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons.” -Ronald Reagan


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:53 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:03 am
Posts: 1123
Location: Europe
It might have a negative impact on the noise level but you could buy an airflow straightener such as these: SaxonPC, Nexus.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:57 am
Posts: 31
Thanks for the help guys. A duct seems like the most practical solution, but unfortunately there is too much stuff in the way for me to be able to use one.

Something like the Nexus beamair seems like an interesting solution, but i'm somewhat skeptical of something only about 0.25" thick having any real impact on the direction of airflow. How well do these things really work?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: "straight" which scythe fan did you buy
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:29 pm 
Offline
SPCR News Editor

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:20 am
Posts: 2157
Location: TN, USA
Ducts and air straightener filters are options but lets not jump the gun. You say you went scythe 120mm 800 rpm but you didn't say which one. They make 12mm thick, 25mm thick, and 38mm thick in a number of motor/blade combinations.

I'm assuming you didn't get the Slipstream Slim SY1212SL12SL. If you did swap it out for a 25mm thick fan and your problem is solved. Just in case that still doesn't stand out

SY1212SL12SL = super thin fan
SY1225SL12L = normal thickness fan

I'm guessing you got the Classic fixed RPM Slipstream SY1225SL12L or the S-FLEX SFF21D since both are 800 RPM and more commonly discussed. But you may have gotten the GentleTyphoon D1225C12B2AP-12 which is also 800 RPM. You may find that if you got a slipstream or gentle typhoon that getting a SFlex or Kama Flow will give you more direct airflow that you desire. If you got the S-Flex and it isn't direct flow enough for you you could try the others in 25mm thickness (Kama Flow 2, Slipstream, Gentle Typhoon) or try a 38mm thick fan.

They only make one style of 120x38mm fan though. It comes in 3 RPM choices but the only one to consider for quiet use is 1000 RPM. It's the Ultra Kaze DFS123812L-1000

In CPU heatsink reviews you'll sometimes see mention of how a fan handles resistance. Maybe they'll say it in terms of pressure, or in terms of RPM in free air vs RPM installed, or maybe in some other way I'm not thinking clearly enough to write about. Anyway the slipstream doesn't deal with high resistance as well and I'm guessing that is because of this non straight airflow you are noticing. That's also why I'm suggesting you might like the SFlex or Kama Flow series better but until you specify which fan you have I can't make better guesses.

But no matter what I say if you can afford to just go buy some of the other choices and try them you can tell us what works for you. Hopefully this post will at least get you started on figuring it out.

_________________
.
Please put a country in your profile if you haven't already.
This site is international but I'll assume you are in the US if you don't tell me otherwise.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:25 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:57 am
Posts: 31
The ones I purchases are the SY1225SL12L slipstream type. One is installed in the rear exhaust position, and one in the front intake position. The rear exhaust works fine. I just wish the front intake had a more direct airflow directly over the GPU.

I have not checked the prices of these air straightenrs, but I assume they would be significantly cheaper than buying an entire new fan. Though if getting a new fan is the best option, I will certainly consider it. What would you recommend as the best option?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:29 pm 
Offline
SPCR News Editor

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:20 am
Posts: 2157
Location: TN, USA
I don't know where you are so check prices shipped to you for

S-FLEX SFF21D 800 RPM*
KAMA FLOW 2 SP1225FDB12L 900 RPM about $20 after shipping to my zip code
ULTRA KAZE DFS123812L-1000 1000 RPM about $25 after shipping to my zip code

* The S-FLEX series has been discontinued but is highly regarded. If you can find it cheap on closeout somewhere buy it. Back when it was new $15 was a good price. Now you might have to pay more.

But if you can't afford any of those you can just grab my favorite old standard for a cheap fan

YATE LOON 120mm Case Fan - D12SL-12 1350 RPM about $10 after shipping to my zip code

Try it at 12V and if you don't like the ever so slight noise from it you can use an adapter to run it at 5V and then it'll be silent. The other nice thing is they are only about $4 a piece so once you pay shipping you can grab a 2nd or 3rd really cheap. It's my go to fan for low budget systems.


Oh, and the beamair type filters that I checked on were more expensive than just ordering a Yate Loon so I can't see them as a great value compared to getting a fan better suited to your needs (and making your own duct(s) is cheapest of all at free assuming you have some materials laying in a recycling bin that you can harvest or material that you can keep instead of tossing in the bin)

_________________
.
Please put a country in your profile if you haven't already.
This site is international but I'll assume you are in the US if you don't tell me otherwise.


Last edited by dhanson865 on Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:36 pm 
Offline
SPCR News Editor

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:20 am
Posts: 2157
Location: TN, USA
faugusztin wrote:
Silverstone Air Penetrators.


It looks like a good answer except the lowest RPM model I saw was 1500 RPM. Do you know if the starting voltage is below 5V?

http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.p ... 57&area=en

Oh, and by comparison it was about $25 shipped to my zip code.

This review shows it with a 5v,7v,12 molex to 3 pin adapter. If that is included with each fan I'm guessing it'll start at 5V reliably.


viewtopic.php?f=9&t=59318 is the thread for this fan if you get one or have one chime in there.

_________________
.
Please put a country in your profile if you haven't already.
This site is international but I'll assume you are in the US if you don't tell me otherwise.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:05 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 03, 2011 5:52 pm
Posts: 42
Location: Toronto
Have you tried changing all your fan vents to intake? I experimented with this, and it appears to force air out through some open expansion slots, and helped stabilize my system which has a passively cooled half-height Radeon 5750 in a half-height MATX case (not for the faint hearted).

Before, I must have had dead hotspots with the conventional intake at the front and exhaust at the top because i was getting blue screens everywhere at the most random times. When I switched my exhaust to intake, all the issues disappeared, and I could even feel the hot air by the expansion slots.

This requires that your case be quite sealed; in my case (pun intended) all the large open areas were covered with intake fans.

_________________
Antec NSK-1480: i5 2400 @ 3.1/1.04v, 4x4GB Mushkin Silverline, 160GB X25-M G2, 1GB 5750 half-height (passive), Dell U2412M + U2211H
Lian-Li A04: stock Q8200 @ 2.33/0.98125v, 2x2GB Mushkin Silverline, 80GB X25-M G1, 1+1.5TB+1.5TB+2TB+3TB, 512MB 4830 (passive), Sony BWU-100A BD-RE, all on Seasonic x460, hooked up to Sony 40" EX620 + KEF 2005.3 + Yamaha RX-V667


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quietest fan that blows "straight"
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:51 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:47 am
Posts: 393
Location: Bratislava, Slovak Republic
dhanson865 wrote:
faugusztin wrote:
Silverstone Air Penetrators.


It looks like a good answer except the lowest RPM model I saw was 1500 RPM. Do you know if the starting voltage is below 5V?


No idea. I use T-Balancer bigNG, which starts all fan at 12V and then slows them down. They are running at ~650-700RPM@5V in my case.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group