There's a number of voters in the UK who'd object to be called "people of the UK", you know.
Of course there are, the UK is comprised of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, as well as immigrants from every other country on the planet - a great deal of people including me refer to themselves (in my case) as English first, British second, "a person of the UK" third and European fourth - this is not to say that I don't recognise myself as a member of the UK.
If don't want to recognise that the UK is composed of several nations marginalized in Westminster while at the same time failing to consider that the EU Parliament might be elected by some kind of "people of Europe", that tells more about you than the EU.
The UK has existed for a significantly longer period of time than the EU has meaning that it has been embedded and refined for a very long time, we share a common language, culture and heritage with a considerable amount of "inter-breeding" solidly meshing the UK together in almost every way - unlike the EU.
I don't know why the Tories are playing this game with their own little parliamentary group instead of joining the EPP (anti-Catholic bigotry?) but they naturally supported the candidacy of the current "EU President" anyway so please stop fabricating offenses to the UK.
There's nothing to stop Labour from agreeing on a leader with the socialist parties of Europe and to run EU elections like they run the elections to Westminster. That would "reflect UK democracy". And if only the Tories were willing to own up to their choice of bedfellows, they could do the same.
erm.... the Tories, Labour, the Lib Dems, UKIP and everyone else. What on earth is "anti-Catholic bigotry".??? How could the UK not be considered "anti-Catholic", look at why the "Church Of England" was created. Whether or not the current EU President was voted in by the UK member of the EU, I had no say in the matter at all.
If you're opposed to the whole concept of the EU, fine. But this thread was about an actual wrong done by the EU, something which could me corrected. The people who contrive outrages to suit their political agenda on the other hand will never be satisfied...
I am not "opposed" to the "concept" of the EU, I am opposed to the "reality" of the EU - the EU routinely over-rules UK law, that is not right - as I have said a few times I am angry with UK politicians for handing the EU the power to ignore and over-rule Westminster.
As to the Swiss voters, yeah: they currently seem to have an issue with the whole concept of the EU which is why they declined to vote for joining the EEC (indirectly, by stalling a less ambitious treaty), unlike voters in the UK.
It is very clear that we have been LIED to by our own politicians, as well as the EU - the majority of people alive in the UK right now have never had a choice to voice our opinion on our place in Europe - obviously Swiss history is quite different from ours, has a quite different culture and whose politicians probably told the the Swiss people different things from what the people of the UK were told by our politicians.
You've probably heard about this Euro currency that Greece has adopted. Well, there's a few big countries other than Germany and France who have adopted the Euro as well and they've got a stake in this game as well for one thing. And I'm not talking about their banks...
One thing that the UK politicians did get right was the choice to NOT join the Euro, the Euro (as was pointed out before it was launched) was (and still is) a fundamentally flawed concept. There is Currency Union with no Fiscal Union or Political Union. Greece should never have been allowed to join the Euro, Greece lied to everyone else - they then went on a low interest spending binge - with no way to pay back the money they have borrowed even at those low interest rates, so it comes as no shock to see that with much higher interest rates Greece simply has no chance of paying their debts.
Adding to this they have been persuaded to stay in the Euro with huge bailouts which have been partly written-off - nothing has been done to actually "fix" the problems in Greece - that is partly to do with the Greek people, the Greek politicians and the EU not having the ability to fix Greece (that's the lack of Fiscal and Political union).
Spain is in many respects in a much worse position than Greece, it does not have enough income (taxes) to pay for its costs (heath, security, bureaucrats, fire, police, ambulance, pensions and so on), which is why it is having to borrow more and more money from external sources because it cant gather enough tax, it also has a much higher rate of unemployment than Greece, and just like Greece it cant reduce the value of its currency to better compete for business.
Italy and Portugal are again in a similar place to Greece and Spain - there is not enough money left to bail out Spain when the time comes (before 2013), this can only result in the bankruptcy of Spain, as well as any other country that needs more money such as Greece - this is the direct fault of those individual countries and the EU as a whole simply for creating such a ridiculous Financial Union called the Euro and yet letting Greece into that Union, and not keeping an eye on the huge amounts of low-interest borrowing/spending by many southern European countries that previous to the Euro could not borrow anywhere near as much money as they did and anywhere near as low interest-rates as they did - only those individual countries and the EU should be blamed.
The Euro seems to have caused more problems in a few countries than it solves, so maybe they should just let countries out if they want to get out. For Greece, that would mean that their own currency would be greatly devalued, but at least they could attract some foreign investment and tourism (due to cheap prices) to try and get out of the economic hole they are in. The current strategy of austerity seems to cause very high unemployment, which is not only dehumanizing but also creates massive political in
If you can believe it, its actually worse for Greece than you say.
Greece are being handed money to pay its bills so long as it drastically increases its unemployment, and makes many other changes that are not helping reduce unemployment. No-one is going to invest money in Greece because Greece is a serious financial risk, Greece is a more expensive place to go on holiday than it has been for a decade - which is a shame as tourism is very important to Greece. So in summary Greece is in a financial prison partly of its making and partly because it is still in the Euro. If Greece had escaped the Euro when this crisis first started, it would be well on its way to recovery and would be a tourism hot spot right now - also a great deal of the contagion would not have existed meaning it would have had less of an affect on other counties as well of course keeping loads of money to bail-out other countries.
The real success story has been Ireland. Ireland got a bail-out, it proceeded to make real changes to bring it back in line so it will be able pay its debts and be solvent in the future. However Ireland were totally screwed by the EU when they got their bailout - the interest rate was crippling (like in Greece) and they didn't get this rate dropped until Greece's second bail-out - since then, they have been doing well - well done Ireland.