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 Post subject: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:14 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:38 am 
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While I like the article, I don't like the win8 remark in the end.

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but we really don't see touch in general gaining much traction on the traditional desktop as we know it today. For the tasks that most desktop users perform on a day-to-day basic, using the screen rather than the mouse and keyboard is unintuitive, inconvenient, and physically tiring. It's a chore having to constantly reach out two feet in front of you, or holding your arm in that general position for long stretches, especially for the stereotypical limp-wristed long-term computer user with shoulder muscles atrophied from years of disuse


"it's a chore having to constantly reach out.."

do we have to? is this ios? no. it's windows. we DON'T have to. we CAN.

a touchscreen on a desktop is a great ADDITION to mouse and keyboard. not a replacement to make you suffer. sometimes, pointing is just so much more easy (easily proven by the fact that every non-touchscreen out there has tons of fingerprints on it)


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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:43 am 
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davepermen wrote:
"it's a chore having to constantly reach out.."

do we have to? is this ios? no. it's windows. we DON'T have to. we CAN.

a touchscreen on a desktop is a great ADDITION to mouse and keyboard. not a replacement to make you suffer. sometimes, pointing is just so much more easy (easily proven by the fact that every non-touchscreen out there has tons of fingerprints on it)


You seem to forget: There is no Desktop any more.

Try to use Win8 for more than half an hour without a touchscreen and you will see.


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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:53 am 
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I'm not convinced of the advantages of all-in-one systems like this from a futureproofing/environmental perspective.

Think about it this way: screens aren't changing that much anymore, most desks won't take more than a 24" monitor and a high quality monitor can last you a decade. Alternatively a cheap monitor may last 2-3 years. An all-in system like this combines a cheap display with propreitary or hard to find components. What is more likely to break down? If the screen fails out of warranty the chances of getting it repaired are perhaps reduced. Once the components are obsolete inside the chances of being able to upgrade it are reduced and therefore when you do replace it, you are also having to replace the monitor too.

I'd much rather chose monitor and a low powered slimline desktop separately and if needed, ISO mount the system to the back of the monitor. This way you get the best of both worlds.

For a major manufacturer however there are many benefits to the all-in-one design. The reduced upgrade potential and repair potential increase the likelihood of future business plus the initial design, along with laptops, is easier to sell to the typical consumer and attracts a higher profit margin. Traditional desktop PCs no longer have much money to be made on them.

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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:06 am 
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23" seems a bit on the small side. I'd rather see a 27" display with proper 19:10 aspect ratio. And no touchscreen for me, this is not a phone :)

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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:06 pm 
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Thanks for the review. It's nice to see how setups like this can be rather effortlessly put together with contemporary components.

The remark at the end I take more to be a comment on choosing to have a touchscreen monitor over a regular one. Possible quality drop and extra cost for no gain, as touch is rather inconvenient for most desktop tasks. If this was a small HTPC in a kitchen or other such compact space where you're mostly standing and moving anyway, then touch might do very well in multimedia playback and browsing, but this is as Desktop as desktops get.

For anyone after bigger screen sizes (though not necessarily resolutions), there is the Asus Eee PC lineup with its ET27xxXXXX models, though they may not be as user-friendly in hardware as this Lenovo is.

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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:47 am 
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I suggested this to someone, and they asked "can I use it as a display for my laptop or tablet?"

That, I think, is a very good point - a separate display could be used with multiple devices, whereas this all-in-one solution does not afford the user such flexibility (at least not without using remote desktop connections or the sort). Something to consider!

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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:57 pm 
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Lawrence Lee wrote:

Noticed many comments from uninformed dinosaurs before I added this comment. They seem to not understand 'silent' PCs.

Check the Youtube videos, "Windows 8 all in one pc" ...
specically ... "Sony VAIO Tap 20 Unveiled" and "HP Envy 23 TouchSmart All-In-One PC - Windows 8".

I just bought, brand-name at a local auction a HP AIO (21INCH, i7, 8gb-DDR3, 64gb SSD, 500gb HDD, w7-Enterprise, but no warranty - refurbished) for about $700 US. It was one of about 20 similar HP items on sale.

It has HDMI-out, VGA-in/out, 4x USB 3, ETC. Plus keyboard, mouse. I think it might have had the bad Intel i7 chips which Intel released, but these needed replacement. Similar to my HP Pavilion DV7. So it the screen is not satisfactory, and/ or wifi cable it to another screen !!

The new W8 AIOs allow table-top horizontal lay-out, with ten finger touch. So it can be a full organ/ piano/ synthesizer player (see the above You-tubes).

I've seen other Youtubes showing them as a two-player game console: chess, table tennis, etc. AIO's will replace desktops. They have industry replacable / upgradable components inside. My wife (Hong Kong born) is very happy with her new 'toy'.

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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:14 pm 
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gregzeng wrote:
I've seen other Youtubes showing them as a two-player game console: chess, table tennis, etc. AIO's will replace desktops. They have industry replacable / upgradable components inside. My wife (Hong Kong born) is very happy with her new 'toy'.


Since most of those AIO use laptop parts, i have yet to come across one where you can replace/upgrade the gpu.

The only things you can possibly change in current AIOs are RAM (if not soldered onto mainboard or accessible by user) and HDD/SDD.


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 Post subject: Re: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92z All-In-One Desktop PC
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:23 am 
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Pappnaas wrote:
gregzeng wrote:
I've seen other Youtubes showing them as a two-player game console: chess, table tennis, etc. AIO's will replace desktops. They have industry replacable / upgradable components inside. My wife (Hong Kong born) is very happy with her new 'toy'.


Since most of those AIO use laptop parts, i have yet to come across one where you can replace/upgrade the gpu.

The only things you can possibly change in current AIOs are RAM (if not soldered onto mainboard or accessible by user) and HDD/SDD.


Almost agree. One of my laptops had a hardware port for extra cards - rare today. I only used it to add USB3, etc.

Other way to upgrade GPU: software acceleration. Better drivers, clock-speed increase (if permitted by the motherboard & chips), and downgrading the graphic standards demanded by the app (fewer colors, lower resolution, etc). I assume that you know this already?

You probably know already that upgraded audio, raid0 can be added easily via the USB ports.


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