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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:57 am 
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Well, sorry I haven't had any updates yet. I've basically been waiting on various quotes on finishing, and other, for what seems like forever. I'm almost to the point where I want to just learn how to finish them myself.

I'm still messing around with various vent styles and sizes. Most people seem to like the offset rectangle style vent. One of my brothers doesn't, but he's been the minority so far. I've been toying with the idea of doing a grid rectangle style (shown below).

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:17 pm 
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jamese wrote:
I'm still messing around with various vent styles and sizes. Most people seem to like the offset rectangle style vent. One of my brothers doesn't, but he's been the minority so far. I've been toying with the idea of doing a grid rectangle style (shown below).


Offset looks much better to me. You could always simply go with some nice holes so people could use the grills of their choice - or no grills for us silence enthusiasts. Chopping out grills is one of the things I do first when I get a new case.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:11 pm 
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@Mankey, For a single big cut out what do you prefer - a perfect circle, or a square with rounded corners (below)? I could only fit a full perfect circle if it follows the diameter of the fan blades more than the body of the fan. The rectangle vents above have a free area of approx 67%, but are purposefully a little narrow. Just increasing the rectangle size slightly can bring it up to 84%.

I also came across this site which supplies powder coating powders. Thought it was interesting to see all the different types, and they have a gallery: http://www.prismaticpowders.com

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:31 pm 
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jamese wrote:
@Mankey, For a single big cut out what do you prefer - a perfect circle, or a square with rounded corners (below)?


:) Don't try to please everyone - but if cutting it in a square with rounded corners allows better airflow - my vote is for that. You're in a unique position of not only having a very small case, but a very high performing one as well - The aesthetics are simple and understated - almost utilitarian (very attractive to me) - I think that having open fan mounts would honor what you've started, placing function and performance first over other factors.

If others feel strongly about having good looking fan grills, perhaps you could sell them separately, and they could screw in like normal fan grills using the mounting holes. They'd match the fit and finish of the case and that would satisfy that group of people.

I'm just thinking out loud - I want the most simple case possible, with the highest performance and airflow :) Others may feel differently - I'm just 1 person :)


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:06 pm 
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I'll reiterate it just in case (no pun intended), but if the design could allow for the silicon grommets you get with many fans, that would be a nice to have. On a case this small, it may be fairly challenging though so no worries; I don't think it makes a huge difference and can ruin the external aesthetics, especially for Noctua fans ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 3:30 pm 
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Mankey wrote:
:) Don't try to please everyone - but if cutting it in a square with rounded corners allows better airflow - my vote is for that. You're in a unique position of not only having a very small case, but a very high performing one as well - The aesthetics are simple and understated - almost utilitarian (very attractive to me) - I think that having open fan mounts would honor what you've started, placing function and performance first over other factors.

If others feel strongly about having good looking fan grills, perhaps you could sell them separately, and they could screw in like normal fan grills using the mounting holes. They'd match the fit and finish of the case and that would satisfy that group of people.

I'm just thinking out loud - I want the most simple case possible, with the highest performance and airflow :) Others may feel differently - I'm just 1 person :)


I appreciate you thinking out loud! Glad it's not just me posting here ;) I could potentially offer a version with simple big vent cut outs. Probably not the first style I'll offer, but I think we're on the same page. I could make a one off version however you like, but it wouldn't be cheap. :)

Here's a couple big cut outs. The circle cut out would be too small for circular wire grilles that aren't flat.

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 3:34 pm 
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Good lord - drooling over the square one with the rounded corners. Looks incredible.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 3:38 pm 
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fuzzymath10 wrote:
I'll reiterate it just in case (no pun intended), but if the design could allow for the silicon grommets you get with many fans, that would be a nice to have. On a case this small, it may be fairly challenging though so no worries; I don't think it makes a huge difference and can ruin the external aesthetics, especially for Noctua fans ;)


It is possible to use silicon/rubber fan mounts, and access the fan holes from the left and right side of the case. Worst case scenario, you may have to use needle nose pliers if your fingers cant grab hold the end of the silicon fan mount. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 3:48 pm 
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personally id like the whole top covered in the offset rectangular mesh, with no solid section. if you go with cutouts, id prefer the holes be evenly spaced across the top, instead of shifted to the rear. - with the blank space(s) either in the middle or on each end.

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:34 am 
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@xan_user, Thank you for the suggestions and ideas. I don't know that I can do the whole top covered in mesh, but here's a larger vent, which I'm leaning towards at the moment. Let me know what you guys think? I have to try to bridge the gap between those who like smaller vents, and those who like the larger vents for best airflow possible! :D

@Mankey, Haha... glad you like the huge cut outs! Maybe I could offer just the "body" piece of the case separately to make it more affordable to produce and buy different vents?

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:44 am 
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jamese wrote:
I have to try to bridge the gap between those who like smaller vents, and those who like the larger vents for best airflow possible! :D


Hahah, who in the world wants small vents!? Lemme at em! This is an ITX case for performance! It needs air! /steps off of soapbox

I definitely do like the offset rectangle vents though - very unique.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 12:03 pm 
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@Mankey, Thanks I'm pretty certain the offset rectangle is what I'll be going with.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:29 am 
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Mankey wrote:
Good lord - drooling over the square one with the rounded corners. Looks incredible.


Added updated image above.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:14 am 
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Really impressive work, me like 8)

A few comments:

- is there enough room to fit a standard tv tuner card? - And if it is, does the card get enough ventilation because they do tend to get warm?

- if i fit in a bigger card, how much intake area for cool air will be left? - Might opt for a small dust filtered (please include them for the bottom cut out too, might be an option though) ventilation area at the bottom region of the side panel.

-Ventilation concept: I think to get started you should try and find out how much airflow 2 silent 80mm fans will produce on average and where the air should enter your case to achieve maximum airflow and cooling at minimum noise. Thinking of some OCed i7/Xeon non-gaming power rig, as fast as my pico/power brick will allow. This might not meet your original concept, but i bet some of us would like the power of a beast inside a small, almost inaudible little case.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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Pappnaas wrote:
Really impressive work, me like 8)

Thanks!

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A few comments:

- is there enough room to fit a standard tv tuner card? - And if it is, does the card get enough ventilation because they do tend to get warm?

Yes to both questions. If it follows the PCI Express specification (low profile), you're good to go. As far as I know, the only thing that seems to break from the specification is GPU cards with dual slot/oversize coolers. The intake vents are on the bottom, right next to the card, so this should provide optimum cooling.

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- if i fit in a bigger card, how much intake area for cool air will be left? - Might opt for a small dust filtered (please include them for the bottom cut out too, might be an option though) ventilation area at the bottom region of the side panel.

There's 19.5mm of clearance from the top PCB surface of the PCI card to the case.

Pappnaas wrote:
-Ventilation concept: I think to get started you should try and find out how much airflow 2 silent 80mm fans will produce on average and where the air should enter your case to achieve maximum airflow and cooling at minimum noise. Thinking of some OCed i7/Xeon non-gaming power rig, as fast as my pico/power brick will allow. This might not meet your original concept, but i bet some of us would like the power of a beast inside a small, almost inaudible little case.


Thanks for your comments. You should definitely be able to build a powerful, and fairly silent system with this case. My setup is running with a 60W power brick. I use it for CAD work, and web development.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:37 am 
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I think I'll go with something like this for holes on the back - one or two for DC jack, and one for mini-din. My only concern is having an empty/unused hole (potentially) near the fans that air could bypassed through.

Now I just need to decide between powder coat, and anodizing, and get some stock. Hopefully by the middle of July I'll have some for purchase. Is there any demand for powder coat white?

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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I'd take a powder coat white or grey even.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:51 am 
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@Mankey, thanks for your support! I am going to try to get a few white ones :)


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:24 pm 
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Brief aside on anodizing, if it's still relevant: anodization is just running a bunch of electricity through aluminum immersed in dilute sulfuric acid. Equipment and operating costs are quite low, and it doesn't take much skill to produce excellent finishes.

The biggest problem/expense is usually the power supply, but if you're willing to do one part at a time (IIRC, the reaction takes <20 min), you could probably make a suitable one using a pair of 500W ATX PSU's, a heavy-duty rheostat, and a multimeter.

Anyhoo, if you're interested, I found this web page on hobbyist-level anodizing buried in my bookmarks, and there's a BUNCH more resources out there.

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:00 pm 
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@Irrelevant - Hey, thanks for the info! I am interested in being able to do some finishing myself. I think I'd enjoy it. Just have to find some free time to give it a try. That guys starter kit and guide looks like a nice way to get started.

I'll be using a professional finishing service, at least initially. That way I can get some of these into peoples hands sooner. Currently, I'm planning on first trying powder coat, and then maybe try anodizing depending on how the powder coat works out.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:11 pm 
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dont forget, im in for one raw and unfinished. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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@xan_user, Thanks for reminding me! Just make sure you don't want unfinished to save money, because there's not that much difference in price. :)


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I've created an email mailing list for those who want to subscribe. You can also choose your colour preferences if you like :)


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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@xan_user, Thanks for reminding me! Just make sure you don't want unfinished to save money, because there's not that much difference in price. :)

no, not to save money. just thought it would be cool to have a raw metal case. (besides i might mod it, with a cut out for a tower HS...be a shame to mar a good powder coating.)

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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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Parts are made, waiting on finishing now. I'll have some in Solar Black (matte), and Apollo White (gloss).

@xan_user, there'll be one unfinished for you. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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jamese wrote:
Parts are made, waiting on finishing now. I'll have some in Solar Black (matte), and Apollo White (gloss).


Awesome news - any word on pricing?


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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Pricing will be $95 CAD (about $90 USD right now) for both the black and white powder coat versions. For being made in Canada, and in small quantities, I'm pretty happy with that. Not sure how others will feel though!? I'm hoping to be able to offer some kind of special, for those like you, who've been following the progress.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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Case fans position was shifted slightly towards the front of the case from what's shown in this image (a little more centered front to back). Should also be easier to pull rubber fan mounts.


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 Post subject: Re: Lone Industries Mini-ITX prototype
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jamese wrote:
Pricing will be $95 CAD (about $90 USD right now) for both the black and white powder coat versions. For being made in Canada, and in small quantities, I'm pretty happy with that. Not sure how others will feel though!? I'm hoping to be able to offer some kind of special, for those like you, who've been following the progress.


I think it's totally fair. Going prices for metal constructed ITX cases are ~ 60 bucks. Their ventilation is terrible, and their fit and finish can be very questionable. I think that if someone were able to provide a head to head comparison against another ITX case in terms of thermals, it could really justify the slight price difference. Who knows, maybe SCPR could review it :)


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