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 Post subject: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & small
PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:07 pm 
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hey people this is my first post here and i am totally new to pc building , i just have done some crazy reading online for the past 3 weeks and this forum has helped me a lot in my understanding for making a fanless sff build but my knowledge is nowhere compared to years of knowledge and experience you guys have and hence i need your much much anticipated advice in helping me build a sff fanless , caseless mini itx build which is pretty powerful and with minimal wires ( i hate wires ) .

I have put together a build and i need your advice on compatibility between parts , temperature control , power supply, etc . So here are the parts i have selected for my build :-
--CPU : intel i7-4770T (45W tdp)
http://ark.intel.com/products/75125/Int ... o-3_70-GHz

--MB : ASRock Z87E-ITX LGA 1150 Intel Z87 (30W tdp)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliat ... ure=ASRock

--CPU Cooler : Prolimatech PRO-SAM17 Samuel 17
http://www.prolimatech.com/en/products/ ... &subid=421

--Graphics card : Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 1GB (55W tdp)
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?nam ... 50ULT&c=CJ

http://www.gpureview.com/Radeon-HD-7750-card-676.html

--SSD : Plextor PX-256M5M 256GB SSD Jedec MO-300 mSATA Marvell Controller
http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliat ... omoid=1087

--RAM : Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model BLS8G3D1609ES2LX0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820148661

--Thermal compound : Noctua NT-H1 Thermal Compound
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835608008

--PSU & Adapter : picoPSU-160-XT and 192w AC-DC Power Adapter, 12v 16A
http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-160-XT

http://www.mini-box.com/12v-16A-AC-DC-Power-Adapter


**TOTAL SYSTEM ESTIMATED WATTAGE : 152W
*above wattage is based on pcpartpicker website :
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1oEmp


So as you can see there are no fans at all and besides the power supply wire there are no other wires too and i feel the build is small and the new haswell i7 mixed with hd 7750 makes it decently powerful . I am not a gamer but i needed an graphics card which could run my golfing simulator software and the slow motion v1 video analysis software with dual live feed 120 fps cameras and for that i needed to have minimum of 1gb dedicated vram & around 70gb/sec of memory bandwidth and since i needed a fanless sff psu i only had this card as an option as it fulfilled my spec requirement while giving me a low tdp . To keep the total system wattage in control i choose not to have an optical drive and will just use an external optical drive whenever needed . I keep my pc on 24/7 to seed torrents . I want to go caseless becasue i couldnt find any fanless heatsink case really small enough for my build with the streamcom fc10 being the only option but then since streamcom is releasing their db4 case in 3-4 months i might as well wait as i believe i would be able to just fit my build as it is in the db4 case .

Having said that here are a few questions that i was hoping you guys could help me find the answer to :-
1)Is my psu choice right for my build ? (i couldnt find any other picopsu with higher power than 160w , though the psu i selected has a
peek load of 200w)

2)Can i operate the fanless heatsink cpu cooler without the fan since i have a low tdp cpu and since i am going caseless ?

3)Is my thermal compound selection right ?

4)Advice on maintaining temperatures ? (i have zero knowledge in temperature control and knowhow)

5)Any other suggestions or advice on parts of the build ?

6)Any advice on operating my build caseless ? (there is not much dirt accumalation in my house)


Finally i know i will be getting the best advice and help here so people really much much thanks in advance.Cheers.


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:12 pm 
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The Samuel 17 was never a heatsink to use without fan. I highly doubt it will cope with even the 45 TDP mentioned without any fan, especially since you do not plan on using a case, hence no airflow whatsoever.

And about not using a case, ever heard about EMP and radiation and that stuff? If you do not use any shielding for your precious PC parts you might run into problems.

I wouldn't want a caseless pc, just imagine something dropping onto the mainboard and connecting two spots that were never meant to be connected?


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
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1)oh my bad i guess as i thought the sam17 could be used without the fan in a low tdp cpu as it was mentioned by the last reviewer in this link :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... llFullInfo

anyways my other option for the cooler is SILVERSTONE NT06-E :-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... E%20NT06-E

again i am not sure if it would work for my system without a fan ?

2)about the case i saw many open builds on youtube so i thought since it is open there is ample of airflow . Since u brought up this point then clearly i was wrong and hence i would appreciate some advice on how to go about it and i have never heard of radiation and emv , i just know that i would keep my build in a corner on a wooden stool where there is zero chances of anything dropping on it . As i mentioned i did like the fc10 case but i have zero knowledge on heatsink pipes and stuff that i would be required to do myself for the graphics card and since i want to purchase the db4 case it really doesnt make sense to purchase a case right now .

3)what do u feel about the picopsu , would it be enough for my build ?


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
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justhahaha wrote:
1)Is my psu choice right for my build ? (i couldnt find any other picopsu with higher power than 160w , though the psu i selected has a
peek load of 200w)

Yes, it works. The maximum load for this build is closer to 120W. If you put 200W load on the Pico for too long you'll smell something burning.
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2)Can i operate the fanless heatsink cpu cooler without the fan since i have a low tdp cpu and since i am going caseless ?

The CPU will simply lower the spped if it gets too hot. You can operate it, but don't expect it to work to well. The prolimatech is tiny and was, is and never will be for fanless use.
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3)Is my thermal compound selection right ?

The difference between thermal greases is 2 degrees. Liquid metal maybe 3.5.
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4)Advice on maintaining temperatures ? (i have zero knowledge in temperature control and knowhow)

Are you kidding me? Get a big a$$ cooler, srly dude.
Or a case that is like a cooler like a Streacom (the FC8 EVO is hardly bigger than the components put on a pile. The Hd-plex passive cases are exactly as wide as a receiver for seamless integration into your audio rack.
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5)Any other suggestions or advice on parts of the build ?

See 4)
justhahaha wrote:
6)Any advice on operating my build caseless ? (there is not much dirt accumalation in my house)

    Not for permanent use.
    Not in reach of beaverages.
    Not in a house with kids or a pet.
    Not in reach of anyone who doesn't know how much current is in there.
    Never.
    That $it is dangerous.
    Don't even think about it.

I would like to direct your attention to 4). And this build. Anything but caseless really.

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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:51 am 
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hey boost,

1) my build total wattage comes to 152w after i add the cpu 45w tdp to the pcpartpicker list:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1oEmp

i was wondering how did you get 120w?


2)Would the SILVERSTONE NT06-E work ? if no then which fanless heatsink do u suggest keeping in my min my low cpu wattage ?


3)i am sorry i am totally new to thermal compound requirements and hence couldnt understand your reply . please could you simplify it .


4)Appreciate your suggestion on the cases but those wont be able to house my graphics card right ?


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:18 am 
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PicoPSU and a dedicated graphics card is doable, but might be tricky. All passive with a dedicated graphics card? Again doable, but tricky. Personally I wouldn't bother.

What are you after? Caseless is so much hassle, like boost pointed out.

You can get small and silent if you ditch the HD 7750. Are you sure the integrated graphics won't cut it?

If you want the HD 7750 I would recommend a normal build, with a fan or two. In a case. :) It will be very quiet and easy to put together.

And don't go for a factory underclocked CPU. Get the faster normal version instead.

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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
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NT-06 isn't a fanless cooler. Don't jump the gun and assume that any cooler sold without fan is meant to be used fanless!


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
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hey vicotnik:
1)I needed a graphics card which had minimum of 60gb/sec for my software needs and since hd7750 was the only one i could find which had that bandwidth with a low tdp , if u know of any other card with that bandwidth and a low tdp then i would like to consider it ?

2)I dont want to go with any fans at all even though i know u can get fans that are almost zero noise ,i just dont want extra wires that fans comes with and moreover i hate fans ( i have no fans on my ceilings too ).

3)Could you pls mention any disadvantage of going with a factory underclocked cpu?

4)What fanless heatsink case are you suggesting that can house this build ? i said i was going caseless just for another 3 months till streamcom releases their db4 case .


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
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hii pappnaas:

You are absolutely right and that was me just making a beginner mistake , nt-06 came up on google when i searched for fanless heatsink and i thought i wouldnt require a fan . Having said that i also know there are a few absolutely fanless heatsink as cpu coolers and hence could you please suggest any ?


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:24 am 
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Fanless is a nice concept, but in reality... a slow fan that you cannot hear will make all the difference.
Now, if you're doing it for the "cool" factor of having a fanless build, why not. If you live in a place that gets hot in the summer, you'll need to monitor the temps carefully when temps start rising.

About that video card... As soon as you put some load on it for more than a few minutes, it's going to overheat (looks like tight fin spacing). Fanless means there is no fan on the card, not that the card doesn't need some airflow to keep cool. Maybe if you have central air and the PC sits near the vent, it will work.

For your CPU, get the cooler with the widest fin spacing, it will help a lot.

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justhahaha wrote:
hey vicotnik:
1)I needed a graphics card which had minimum of 60gb/sec for my software needs and since hd7750 was the only one i could find which had that bandwidth with a low tdp , if u know of any other card with that bandwidth and a low tdp then i would like to consider it ?

2)I dont want to go with any fans at all even though i know u can get fans that are almost zero noise ,i just dont want extra wires that fans comes with and moreover i hate fans ( i have no fans on my ceilings too ).

3)Could you pls mention any disadvantage of going with a factory underclocked cpu?

4)What fanless heatsink case are you suggesting that can house this build ? i said i was going caseless just for another 3 months till streamcom releases their db4 case .

Don't know the specs of the Haswell GPU. I leave that research to you. ;)

I get that you want the system fanless. My own builds have no moving parts, whenever possible. I do own a Sapphire HD 7750 though, and I would not run that in a case without ventilation. Unless the case can cool the GPU as well as the CPU. It's been done, there are threads in the General Gallery forum.

Usually normal CPUs can be underclocked but factory underclocked CPUs cannot be overclocked.

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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
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hii frenchie:

Thanks for your input on the cpu cooler , could suggest a particular model with large fins that fits in 1150 socket ?

Ya i have my ac on the entire day and i am not going to use my graphics card for more than 2 hours at a time and may be 2/3 times a day .


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Four options as I see it:

1. Naked system with stuff positioned so that natural convection and ambient air movement can cool the stuff. The whole thing away from pets, children etc.

2. Some DIY heatpiping, like this
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=65463

3. All fanless in a normal case and pray that stuff doesn't melt at a critical time.

4. Like number three, but with a single, quiet ~500 RPM 120mm fan.

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justhahaha wrote:
Thanks for your input on the cpu cooler , could suggest a particular model with large fins that fits in 1150 socket ?

http://www.silentpcreview.com/NoFan_CR-95C_Copper
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Ya i have my ac on the entire day and i am not going to use my graphics card for more than 2 hours at a time and may be 2/3 times a day .

2 hours is a long time on load... you'll have to try it and see what happens. Put it in the path of the AC airflow.

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hii vicotnik

For the options u mentioned :

1)i loved the idea and there r no pets or children in my house , no dust too , i keep my ac on the 24/7 . i will give it a try and now i am going to ask you a novice question - how do i know whats the right temp for the cpu and the card ?

2)i have seen this thread but since i am totally new here diy heatsink got all confusing for me and thats the reason i am waiting for the streamcom db4 case as it has all 4 sides cooling and integrated card and cpu heatsink cooling options .

3)if i have to keep everything in a fanless case as it is then isnt it the same as keeping it open ? wouldnt it behave the same for airflow and infact wouldnt it create more airflow then a case ? if this analagy of mine is wrong then clear i have got the process of how stuff works wrong and i would need some corrections from you on getting me on the right knowledge path as far as airflow is concerned

4)for the 4th option my thoughts are that if i had to have a fan in a case then might as well have it caseless as it would save me the cost of buying a case just for 3 months till the db4 releases .


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
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hii frenchie

i like the SilverStone Heligon HE02 and the NOFAN CR-95C , i will select one of them as they r completely fanless .
Thanks , it seems my cpu cooler problem is solved .

As you said i am ready to try out the system but i can go ahead and order the parts only if someone can tell me if the 160w picopsu will be enough for my system ?


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1) hard question... depends... as close to the room temperature as you can get it (the smallest temperature increase you can achieve given your requirements). Or you can say that as long as it doesn't throttle, you are fine.

3) a case might help the cooling, even without a fan. The natural flow of air (warm air rises) guided by the case can improve your cooling : viewtopic.php?t=57619

justhahaha wrote:
As you said i am ready to try out the system but i can go ahead and order the parts only if someone can tell me if the 160w picopsu will be enough for my system ?

Are you going to be running stress tests all the time or just playing games and using the machine normally ? Normal usage and normal gaming will never use as much power as a stress test, so if the power calculator is giving you 150 Watts, you'll be fine.

EDIT : Using your power calculator for the system in my signature, I get about 400W (doesn't account for my overclocking). I measured 330W while folding (100% CPU and 100% on both video cards).

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hii frenchie

Thanks for the link , i will go over it right now .

I did not understand this statement of yours:-
EDIT : Using your power calculator for the system in my signature, I get about 400W (doesn't account for my overclocking). I measured 330W while folding (100% CPU and 100% on both video cards).


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Sorry about that. Let me rephrase :
The power calculator (at pcpartpicker) says my system should pull around 400 Watts, but the power draw that I measured in real-life at the plug at full load was 330 Watts (a 20% difference).

In your case, your real power value is probably closer to 120 Watts at full load, so your 160 Watts pico psu should work.

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hii frenchie,

Thanks for the clarification on the power calculator , i went over your link and what i got out of it was that the warm air needs to rise up and out but if there is no case and if i have a big NOFAN CR-95C cpu cooler then isnt it going to take all the heat up and eventually out, mixing the air with the surrounding air and since the heatsink is tall enough the warm air is getting released at a fair height above the mb so wouldnt there be less risk of damaging or melting other parts in the motherboard?


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hii frenchie,

A few post above you had mentioned about my selected card having tight fin spacing . I had read a few reviews on that card and all were suprised on how well the included heatsink could keep the card cool even on max load and i am not a gamer ,i just need the card 2/3 times a day to run my golfing simulator software .


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hii vicotnik,

Since i am new to pc building i dint know anything about overclocking and underclocking but thanks to your suggestions i did some reading on overclocking and underclocking and it opens up a whole new possibilities with my cpu and discrete gpu selection , i mean seriously cant thank u enough for bringing it up as now i can get a high spec cpu and gpu and be future ready , while i will never need to overclock i know as i dont have any intesive pc acticity but i will definately underclock to get a more powerful cpu and gpu working with my 160w picopsu.

Could you please highlight any disadvantages of underclocking and undervolting if any ?

How much can one underclock and undervolt safely ?


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justhahaha wrote:
Could you please highlight any disadvantages of underclocking and undervolting if any ?


If you fail to meet the right spot you'll melt your precious high power stuff.

justhahaha wrote:
but if there is no case and if i have a big NOFAN CR-95C cpu cooler then isnt it going to take all the heat up and eventually out, mixing the air with the surrounding air and since the heatsink is tall enough the warm air is getting released at a fair height above the mb so wouldnt there be less risk of damaging or melting other parts in the motherboard?


No, not at all. Having a case induces some kind of airflow inside because of thermodynamic laws. Having no case results in no airflow, worst case would be not enough cooling.

Remember NoFan's cooler has a strict TDP max limit. It would not be wise to use something hotter, even if you plan to undervolt it.

Exception: You can afford new PC parts any time or when needed because something went wrong and you dropped a paperclip on your open mainboard, resulting in a nice flash and puff effect.


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justhahaha wrote:
hii vicotnik,

Since i am new to pc building i dint know anything about overclocking and underclocking but thanks to your suggestions i did some reading on overclocking and underclocking and it opens up a whole new possibilities with my cpu and discrete gpu selection , i mean seriously cant thank u enough for bringing it up as now i can get a high spec cpu and gpu and be future ready , while i will never need to overclock i know as i dont have any intesive pc acticity but i will definately underclock to get a more powerful cpu and gpu working with my 160w picopsu.

Could you please highlight any disadvantages of underclocking and undervolting if any ?

How much can one underclock and undervolt safely ?

It's usually easy to underclock these days. Most modern motherboards has an option to limit the multiplier in the BIOS settings. Options to control the voltage is less common, but I think most "overclocking boards" has this feature.
If you just lower the multiplier the heat from the processor will scale ~linear to the clock frequency. Lowering the voltage should lower the heat more dramatically but you will then have to make sure the system is stable, like when you overclock.

I also want to point out that modern processors draw very little power while idle and that basically overclocking/underclocking only changes things at load.

Messing with underclocking/overclocking adds complexity to the whole thing. You are a novice and want to build a quite complex system. I personally think you would be more happy with a normal system, with a normal ATX PSU and a couple of fans. But I'm repeating myself. :) All passive is fun but still a bit too complicated. That seems to be the consensus even here at SPCR.
Now since Sandy Bridge really, it's more simple to build a passive system. As long as only the CPU needs serious cooling. With a dedicated graphics card it gets more complex. I haven't seen the insides of the Streacom DB4. Maybe that case will work well. It's ugly though if you ask me. ;)

If the integrated graphics in the CPU could handle your software, and it might since it's not that much slower than the HD 7750, it would do much to solve your potential power and temp problems in a fanless build.

Buying stuff to be future ready is sometimes guesswork. A few years down the road you could have a large, complex, power hungry system that performs less than a stock passive system not much bigger than a book. Build smart, upgrade reasonable often I say.

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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:11 am 
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justhahaha wrote:
hii frenchie,

A few post above you had mentioned about my selected card having tight fin spacing . I had read a few reviews on that card and all were suprised on how well the included heatsink could keep the card cool even on max load and i am not a gamer ,i just need the card 2/3 times a day to run my golfing simulator software .

If your golfing simulator is not too GPU intensive, you'll be fine. Most reviews put the card in a case and/or have a fan around, keep this in mind when reading reviews ;)

A GPU overheating is usually easy to spot : random artifacts on the screen, system freezes/shuts down...

Don't forget to post pictures when you're done !!

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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:17 am 
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hiii vicotnik,

Really appreciate your advice and your feedback has been very informative always . Having said that as i mentioned before i hate fans so much that i dont have a single fan in my house too . I totally understand the point you are trying to get across that it will be complicated for a novice like me but frankly speaking god has created a place like spcr on the net so that less knowledged people like me can get the best advice on turning their project into reality from people like you who have tons of experience and knowledge to share .
Personally i would like to fail after trying as there is no fun and meaning failing without even trying .

Having said that my build is always going to be on a wooden stool which is chest high in a corner near an ac vent and hence there is absolutely no chance of anything falling on my board and since its just my wife and myself living with no pets noone is ever going near the system for any unwanted incidents .

I plan to underclock and undervolt not too much but just enough so that my 160w picopsu can handle the stuff at 90% of its capacity and while maintaining the stability of the system . What i plan to do is to buy the parts besides the graphics card and then as you suggested i will try out the integrated graphics and see if it can handle my software and then take a decision on buying an additional discrete card .

From what i have been reading online it seems it is possible to overclock the integrated graphics card too and hence it will be worth seing what the intel hd4600 in the haswell i7 is capable of doing .


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:22 am 
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hii frenchie,

All my software needs is gpu with a memory bandwidth of 75gb/sec or higher . I will go ahead and order the parts and once i have the build up i will surely post pictures .

The integrated intel hd4600 has a memory bandwidth of 25gb/sec . If i overclock it how much more bandwidth can i achieve in theory ?


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:27 am 
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hii Pappnaas,

I totally get your point but the reason i mentioned that was because i had seen many youtube builds where there were operating their builds without a case on walls and on desks , the only difference being they had a fan on the cpu heatsink but my mind thinks that even though you have a fan on a caseless heatsink the air is still around and without airflow and if they can operate their build well then i thought the nofan heatsink would act the same way in theory right ?


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:12 am 
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justhahaha wrote:
if they can operate their build well then i thought the nofan heatsink would act the same way in theory right ?


That is a question only NoFan could answer, since you'r spending real money on it, you might try and contact them.

justhahaha wrote:
because i had seen many youtube builds where there were operating their builds without a case on walls and on desks , the only difference being they had a fan on the cpu heatsink


You do not mention which hardware those builds used, it's totally doable fan and caseless, but not without special knowledge or the money to test stuff and accept that some parts might suffer beyond repair.

I.E. if you take a low TDP i3 Haswell or IB and no separate GPU full passiv isn't to complicated. But you want to do it with an i7 and a 7750. Just like you can't have a full size pickup with the same mpg rating as a Smart and beat a Porsche in speed.


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 Post subject: Re: TOTALLY fanless, caseless, wireless, pretty powerful & s
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:23 pm 
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Ok got your point pappnaas , anyways can u tell me the difference between underclocking and undervolting a locked cpu vs an unlocked cpu ?


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