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 Post subject: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304 or PC-Q27
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:54 am 
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Hello,

I am planning a small ITX config for my very basic needs. It will replace my current mATX rig in the TJ08-E

Basic components like i3-4330, GA-H87N-wifi, 8GB Ram, SSD 256GB, HDD 2TB.
No graphical board, no gaming, no encoding, nothing that needs power.

After some research over last weeks, my choice goes to the SG06 + SFX 300W PSU (also from SilverStone, because less cables than Be Quiet SFX 300W).

I want to have something as quiet as possible, but on budget.
(I would directly choose a picoPSU for silence, but it seems more expensive. 129€ on Amazon, compared to 52€ the SFX)
It's a pity, because when I am running 100% CPU on my current rig, i can't even pass 75W on the AC plug, so it's very low power config.

Do you think the SG06 is a good choice for silence + budget?
I have seen the nice smaller ones, fanless, like Streacom but they are 140€ just the case. Out of my budget goal here.

Do you have other suggestions for SFF case? and SFX quiet PSU?

Thanks a lot!

Edit: for the subject of the topic

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:31 am 
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thierry. wrote:
I want to have something as quiet as possible, but on budget.
(I would directly choose a picoPSU for silence, but it seems more expensive. 129€ on Amazon, compared to 52€ the SFX)

Pico PSUs are more expensive (and more efficient) than cheap SFX PSUs. You picked a very expensive bundle. 120W Pico PSU and brick for 70€ + 14€ S&H Europe.
thierry. wrote:
Do you think the SG06 is a good choice for silence + budget?
I have seen the nice smaller ones, fanless, like Streacom but they are 140€ just the case. Out of my budget goal here.

Yes, with a Pico PSU you have a lot of room for a tall tower cooler that'll run very quietly. The noisiest component would be a mechanical hard drive. With such frugal components you can remove the front fan and suspend the hard drive in the front of the case. The only down side to the case are the USB ports which are too close together to use them simultaneously.
thierry. wrote:
Do you have other suggestions for SFF case? and SFX quiet PSU?

The Lian Li PC-Q07B works just as well as the SG06 if you prefer the looks.

A very small form factor alternative would be to build a system with the Akasa Euler case, it should be able to handle a Haswell dual core CPU. There are several limitations, most of which stem from tha fact that the case only accepts thin mini ITX boards, like small selection of mainboards and few onboard ports on these mainboards. The system comes with a Pico PSU style power system, The case comes with a power brick, thin mini ITX boards have a Pico style system on board.
The Gigabyte GA-H81TN is a fairly inexpensive board, the ASUS Q87T not so much, but it is available at the moment. You would have to use a mSATA SSD and a 2.5" drive for storage.
This would make an extremely small, cost efficient and quiet system.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:34 am 
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Im a big fan of silverstone and lian li cases, but on mini itx, i like more Fractal Design Node 304 £64.98, you will find tons of builds to get ideas on OCN [Official] Fractal Design Node 304 Owners Club. What i like about it is that it can fit very big tower cooler (even some twin towers), specially since you are not using the PCIe slot, should allow almost anything, the great of the Node 304 is that it still uses a standard ATX PSU, not limited to SFX models, so what ever you like should be good here, i would recommend to look for not so long PSU, like Seasonic Platinum are not that big (160mm until 850W), or you could even ran an internal brick for picoPSU (if you were to find it cheaper). It also has a built in fan controller so you can easily lower the rpms of the included fans to your liking.

Another case that i like for a mini ITX build, thinking on no dedicated GPUs, is Antec ISK 110 VESA 2.5 inch 90W Mountable Case - Black/Graphite £65.98, it comes already with a nice 90W brick level 5, that according to another forum member, its very efficient and works very well, i leave you his thread for you read more on it, Which picoPSU and power brick should I use[?]. As a final note, i seen some builds where the Scythe Kozuti SCKZT-1000 CPU Fan £25.71, but a quad core might be a little tough for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:52 pm 
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Thanks Boost.
I found also some cheaper 120W brick. But I don't know enough on picoPSU. Do we need a "branded" brick for quality? Or any 120W brick from an old laptop would do the same?

For the CPU cooler I was first thinking a low profile NH-L9i.
But with external PSU I have more room. You are right.

I have suspended my HDD in my current case. I would definitely try on the next.

I can't go smaller (to thin itx). I still need room for the HDD.

The Lian Li is aluminum I guess? I read on SPCR that thin light cases are more pron to vibration and resonance.

Thanks Abula
The node 304 is great but it's much more expensive than the sg06.
Although I could reuse my current be quiet 400W on that...

The Antec 110 seems too small for my needs. I was looking the 310-150 but it seems noisy with small fan.

Thanks for the links. Great readings for me.

When looking the NH-L9i I was also comparing to the kozuti. It is cheaper on amazon here.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
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thierry. wrote:
I found also some cheaper 120W brick. But I don't know enough on picoPSU. Do we need a "branded" brick for quality? Or any 120W brick from an old laptop would do the same?

Ther are two things to consider: voltage and connectors. Generic laptop power brick usually deliver 19V, Pico PSU needs 12V. Pico PSU has a small round connector for the external power brick, not all bricks use the exact style and size.
If you buy a bundle, you are on the safe side.
thierry. wrote:
The Lian Li is aluminum I guess? I read on SPCR that thin light cases are more pron to vibration and resonance.

That's mainly a prolem for HDD noise. If you suspend or otherwise decouple the drive, it shouldn't be a problem.
thierry. wrote:
For the CPU cooler I was first thinking a low profile NH-L9i.
But with external PSU I have more room. You are right.

With a Pico PSU you can fir a Thermalright Moch or Scythe Mugen 4.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:07 am 
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boost wrote:
Ther are two things to consider: voltage and connectors. Generic laptop power brick usually deliver 19V, Pico PSU needs 12V. Pico PSU has a small round connector for the external power brick, not all bricks use the exact style and size.
If you buy a bundle, you are on the safe side..


When searching for the picoPSU, this brick is proposed. 30€ + 43€ the picoPSU 150W = 73€
Which is more reasonable than the other package I found, 130€, but the brick was 192W (I don't need so much)

For now, I have

SG06-Lite 51€ + SFX 300W 56€ + Kozuti 28€ = 135€

SG06-Lite 51€ + picoPSU 150W 43€+ brick 30€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ = 164€

Node 304 73€ + my actual 400W Be Quiet 0€ + replacement PSU for PC1 40€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ = 153€

Lian Li PC-Q07B 48€ + my actual 400W Be Quiet 0€ + replacement PSU for PC1 40€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ =128€

Lian Li PC-Q07B 48€ + picoPSU 150W 43€+ brick 30€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ = 161€

Silent CPU cooler?
HR-02 Macho? 42€
Mugen 4? 41€
other in this range of price and silence?

If you think the Lian Li is good, I like the tower style (smaller footprint on the table).
But I also don't need any optical drive. (but it gives more room for the cooler, maybe.)


Do you know if the PicoPSU are as safe and as good as the good brand 80+ PSU?
We can rely on them?
(it's completely new for me. I'm bit afraid, but also very tempted by the small size and the silent operation)

Boost,
it seems you are in Germany.
Do you know anything about the brand Cooltek?
Like the Coolcube, 55€
Thanks

(Edit: I was crazy when I bought my TJ08-E + Be Quiet Straight Power E9 400W last year. :D PSU + case are a big shunk of my total cost)

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:43 am 
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thierry. wrote:
boost wrote:
Ther are two things to consider: voltage and connectors. Generic laptop power brick usually deliver 19V, Pico PSU needs 12V. Pico PSU has a small round connector for the external power brick, not all bricks use the exact style and size.
If you buy a bundle, you are on the safe side..


When searching for the picoPSU, this brick is proposed. 30€ + 43€ the picoPSU 150W = 73€
Which is more reasonable than the other package I found, 130€, but the brick was 192W (I don't need so much)

For now, I have

SG06-Lite 51€ + SFX 300W 56€ + Kozuti 28€ = 135€

SG06-Lite 51€ + picoPSU 150W 43€+ brick 30€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ = 164€

Node 304 73€ + my actual 400W Be Quiet 0€ + replacement PSU for PC1 40€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ = 153€

Lian Li PC-Q07B 48€ + my actual 400W Be Quiet 0€ + replacement PSU for PC1 40€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ =128€

Lian Li PC-Q07B 48€ + picoPSU 150W 43€+ brick 30€ + silent CPU cooler 40€ = 161€

Silent CPU cooler?
HR-02 Macho? 42€
Mugen 4? 41€
other in this range of price and silence?

If you think the Lian Li is good, I like the tower style (smaller footprint on the table).
But I also don't need any optical drive. (but it gives more room for the cooler, maybe.)


Do you know if the PicoPSU are as safe and as good as the good brand 80+ PSU?
We can rely on them?
(it's completely new for me. I'm bit afraid, but also very tempted by the small size and the silent operation)

Boost,
it seems you are in Germany.
Do you know anything about the brand Cooltek?
Like the Coolcube, 55€
Thanks

(Edit: I was crazy when I bought my TJ08-E + Be Quiet Straight Power E9 400W last year. :D PSU + case are a big shunk of my total cost)
thierry. wrote:
Do you know if the PicoPSU are as safe and as good as the good brand 80+ PSU?
We can rely on them?
(it's completely new for me. I'm bit afraid, but also very tempted by the small size and the silent operation)

If it was my system I would get the Pico PSU and silent CPU cooler, The Kozuti or other coolers that small are not quiet enough for my taste.
thierry. wrote:
Silent CPU cooler?
HR-02 Macho? 42€
Mugen 4? 41€
other in this range of price and silence?

These are the top two choices, why bother going through more choices when you're just gonna end up where you started anyway?
thierry. wrote:
Boost,
it seems you are in Germany.
Do you know anything about the brand Cooltek?
Like the Coolcube, 55€

True for the place of residence. I've only used Lian Li cases so far, from the reviews I gather the Cooltek cases (Jonsbo cases with Colltek branding, really) have a sturdy construction, sometimes even better than Lian Li, but they are small, whch doesn't matter much for your proposed system with a Pico PSU.
With a Full size PSU there are other Cooltek cases U1 and U2 which work nicely. The U1 will only accept a tower cooler with a 92mm fan (135mm height), but with a dual core CPU that is not really a limitation.
You can use the optical bay of the Lian Li to suspend the hard drive, in the Cooltek cases you could use this method.
In the U1/U2 you can use a full size PSU.
The choice between either of these cases is more a cosmetic one, they're all fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:47 am 
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You are really starting to convince me for this Lian Li! :D

I spent the day reading some reviews, looking at existing builds and configs, etc.
I like the vertical shape, which leave a smaller footprint on the table. (although the SG06 is not much bigger on the table)

This case would allow me to build it for cheaper, using my existing ATX PSU, then if not satisfied, I could add the bigger heatsink and the picoPSU.

You told me about suspending the 3.5 HDD, I guess I would do on the top of the case. (I don't use optical drive)
(Just as I am doing in my current build). Maybe using the No Vibes that you sent me the link. Or doing it by myself.

I wish the red version was still on the market. It looks very different to the black, white and silver that we see everywhere.
But it seems it was discontinued, long time ago. Too bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:57 am 
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thierry. wrote:
You are really starting to convince me for this Lian Li! :D

FWIW, i really love my Q-07! with a pico and a little duct work i can fit a single 140mm fan on the CPU and it pulls air from underneath and exasuts out the top.

the only real drawback with the Q07 is the front usb bracket limits the size gpu you can put in there. i had to forcefully remove my front usb bracket and the nuts, to fit my card in. (its spot welded on)

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
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Are you thinking of the fan on the CPU, and the duct to the back?
Would you draw it for us? :idea:

We could also do a big Thermalright, with a ducting to the back, like this:
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air duct in lian li pc-q07 with hr-02 heatsink.jpg


Or I was thinking, to have the fan on the case, with ducting around the heatsink to the fan.


Mhm... I guess I am bit dreaming and over-thinking... :roll:
My build is intended for low power, low heat, low noise.
I don't think it will generate so much heat with the i3-4330, that I actually need to install a fan exhaust. But who knows.
I'll only see when I actually start running it.

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the only real drawback with the Q07 is the front usb bracket limits the size gpu you can put in there

It's solved in my future build. I don't have/need GPU. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
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Abula wrote:
For the future, consider Fractal Design Node 304, pretty nice Mini ITX case that allows the installation of big tower and a standard ATX PSU, more in line with your old build.


Abula,
When you wrote this, on my build topic, did you mean we can fit the ATX PSU and HR02 at same time?
Or the HR02 Macho would go, with only a picoPSU?
The Node 304 looks bit small to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX case than SilverStone SG06 for quiet conf
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I was posting from my phone.
Now that I can search on a good PC screen, I see plenty of Node 304 with the HR-02.
It looks nice.
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In the end, I'm adding the Node 304 to my top list, together with the PC-Q07. :mrgreen:

It's bit more expensive, but it also takes my current ATX PSU. It also takes the HR-02 (possibly passive, since it has the back case fan and I'm running small i3)

What about the 2 small front fans? Are they not too noisy?

Also, reading through the forum, here they said the GA-Z87N-WIFI has a bad placement of the CPU, so it's not good into the Node 304.
I am taking the GA-H87N-WIFI. Is it the exact sample CPU position? Is it also a problematic board in the Node? :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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I just want to chime in and remind you to take a step back and consider the size of the cases you are looking at again. The more standard component and less interference you have, the bigger you must go. Just because a case is called Mini-ITX doesn't automatically make them smaller. Below is a list of case sizes in volume for your reference:

30.2 litres - SilverStone TJ08-E (Micro-ATX)
23.0 litres - SilverStone SG09/SG10 (Micro-ATX)
21.4 litres - SilverStone GD04/GD05 (Micro-ATX)
19.6 litres - Fractal Design Node 304 (Mini-ITX)
11.7 litres - Lian Li PC-Q07 (Mini-ITX)
11.1 Litres - SilverStone SG06 (Mini-ITX)

As you can see, at around 20 litres in size, you start to see cases that are in the Micro-ATX category. Was your original intention of going small achieved by choosing Node 304, which is smaller by about 30% compared to your TJ08-E, but actually taking up slightly more space on your desk with its larger footprint (Node 304 at 250mm x 374mm vs. TJ08-E at 210mm x 385mm)?


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thierry. wrote:
Also, reading through the forum, here they said the GA-Z87N-WIFI has a bad placement of the CPU, so it's not good into the Node 304.
I am taking the GA-H87N-WIFI. Is it the exact sample CPU position? Is it also a problematic board in the Node? :cry:


I got some answer on the OCN forum, that it can make problem for the graphic board. A big cooler might be too close tot he PCIE
No big issue for me, I don't intend to put a GPU (now or even later)

SST Guy wrote:
I just want to chime in and remind you to take a step back and consider the size of the cases you are looking at again.


Thanks Guy (is it "Guy" the name, or "Guy" like "the SST Man"?),
Point taken. You put me back on my tracks. :wink:
The Node 304 with the motherboard and PSU on bottom is the biggest on the table. Bigger than my actual
(It was the first requirement in this thread: "smaller footprint and still silent")

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3 pieces of packing foam are used to divide case into top and bottom half. everything below 140mm fan is intake, everything above fan is exhaust. i taped off the bottom 2 inches of the upper grill on the lid to stop an air short from occurring. (basically blocked grill on the lid between GPU and top of fan.) fan body is ~2mm from lid when its closed- a small lip of folded electrical tape acts as a gasket to seal lid to fan body.
case also sits on a 1" riser to facilitate better airflow from underneath. 2.5" hybrid hard drive is in a combo slot loading cage up top.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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Please, could you put a bigger size picture, or the link for the bigger one.
It's very interesting.

xan_user wrote:
everything below 140mm fan is intake, everything above fan is exhaust.

I did not understand this info.
You just one fan on CPU, blowing from down to top? And natural exhaust of the hot air, or additional fan on top?

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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thierry. wrote:
Please, could you put a bigger size picture, or the link for the bigger one.
It's very interesting.

You just one fan on CPU, blowing from down to top? And natural exhaust of the hot air, or additional fan on top?

updated above. one fan on CPU blowing up.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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Thanks for the update and picture. Very interesting setup.
It's kind of modding the PC-Q07 into a FT03 Mini. :) but here with a good size heatsink.
(or like a new Mac Pro)

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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Not wanting to hijack the thread, but would the node 304 be suitable for a fanless psu, like the platinum seasonic 400 watt?


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I am not sure it's the ideal case.
From what I read around here, the fanless PSU are better at the top of the case, with top opening for the heat to go out.

In the Node 304, the heat will just add into the case, which means the back fan might run faster.
Seasonic has some good series with fan that only turns at higher load and that are still silent. If you really want the Node, I think it would be better.

It also depends on what you want to put inside. A small i3 CPU, like me? Or a big i7, with the GPU, etc? which will generate a lot of heat..

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Thank you, I have made a new thread in the troubleshooting section.


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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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I was pretty decided with the PC-Q07, with tower cooler HR-02 and a picoPSU (to have space for the cooler).

Looking at all the Q series, I found also the Q27 which seems to be more recent.
It's not much bigger, but it seems to fit better my project of "tower cooler + 1 exhaust fan + picoPSU"
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-q27/

The air intake is from the bottom, no mesh on the side panel.
I would not need to close the side, like xan_user on his Q07.
Then, maybe I would be able to run a single fan for the CPU cooler and the case.

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Anybody have used the Q27? or seen it in real?

There only one thing that could be bad for the silent build : the side panels are sliding into place, with one screw to fix.
Could there be a problem with vibration, compare to a panel that is screwed with 4?

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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I like the look of the 27, but have no experience with it yet.

thierry. wrote:
I would not need to close the side, like xan_user on his Q07.


FTR, i only closed 2" of the side vents on the 07. I used a strip of clear packing tape on the inside. the bottom vent on the side panel is left open,as part of the overall intake. and the top 2/3 of the top vent on the side panel, are also open as part of the exhaust. i just stopped the air from sucking in right next to the fan, above the gpu. i tried to keep restrictions at a bare minimum.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304 or PC
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I was looking at this case but It does not seem to be available in the USA. So I purchased the CM 130 Elite with the black mesh in the front. I usually dont build computers with video cards. I would not really call myself a silent builder, but I just like a quiet comptuer to use for internet video websites.

http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Det ... te110.html
I like this website because it compares the CM Elite 110, 120, 130 all on the same page with dimensiong and pictures are in scale to each other.


I kind of wonder if those thin mini-itx boards are any good but I dont want to buy one to find out I dont like it. The Idea is that they dont use a big bulky power supply so there is more room if you put a standard cooler on it. You just have to watch the total number of watts on the AC 2 DC adapter. The boards I saw use a 19v external power supply. So I decided against it.


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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304...
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SST Guy wrote:
30.2 litres - SilverStone TJ08-E (Micro-ATX)
23.0 litres - SilverStone SG09/SG10 (Micro-ATX)
21.4 litres - SilverStone GD04/GD05 (Micro-ATX)
19.6 litres - Fractal Design Node 304 (Mini-ITX)
11.7 litres - Lian Li PC-Q07 (Mini-ITX)
11.1 Litres - SilverStone SG06 (Mini-ITX)

Hi SST Guy,

Does SilverStone have towers less wide than the TJ08-E? I'd love to see a mATX tower with an even smaller footprint.
Maybe something like a vertical GD04/GD05.


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 Post subject: Does volume count, for the airflow?
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I made my final choice (and I can't wait to order all the parts... As soon as my Temjin is sold :) )

Coming from a Temjin TJ08-E. ("big" empty box)

First I was thinking of staying with Silverstone, with SG06. (but it requires SFX PSU and I am afraid it's too small for SSD + HDD and good airflow)

Then, I looked at the Fractal Design Node 304. But it was huge on the table (because long and not high)

Finally, I wanted the Lian Li PC-Q07 (and maybe the Q27, a bit bigger (maybe easier to work with)
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-q27

BUT
I saw the Cooltek Coolcube, this week again. It's also full aluminum and small. And even shorter than Q27, because there is no space for optical drive.
http://www.cooltek.de/en/cubes/coolcube/2/coolcube

I will be using HR-02 Macho and picoPSU.

The Q27 is 14L, because it has the space for optical drive. I don't need and won't put any optical drive.
On this one, I like the plain sides, without holes. It might help for the silence.

Attachment:
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They have same width, 200mm. Enough space for the tower CPU cooler.

The Coolcube is not as tall. Will it improve the airflow?
Attachment:
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But it has one side full of holes. (which I might just close from the inside, for just a single air intake from bottom.)


You guys know much more about the question.
Will there be a difference?
Or am I just overthinking it? (and it doesnt matter at all)

Thanks for your ideas and comments.

(and cross fingers that I close the deal tomorrow, to sell my TJ08-E ;) )


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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304 or PC
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I was just looking at the rosewill case that looks like a clone sold under a different name..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811147214

I would mount drive to top or front of case to keep bottom open.

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304 or PC
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Yes, it looks just same as the Cooltek.

I was thinking like you, to put the drives on the side, for open airflow.
There is not much space on the Coolcube, and no mounting on the sides.

The Q27 has some mounts, on the front panel (inside), where I can fit the SSD.
And could use the extra top space, to suspend the HDD.
But it will stay always in the hottest place of the case.
Not a problem?

(My 2 HDDs were also sitting on the top of my TJ08-E. I did not have problem until now. But it has strong airflow, with the 180mm running at 700rmp.)

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304 or PC
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Maybe I'm just not enough smart to quickly understand, but I have a question: without any case fan (on both Lian-li Q27 and Cooltek/Rosewill), is there any airflow?

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 Post subject: Re: Any better ITX than SG06? Maybe PC-Q07 or Node 304 or PC
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There is no stupid question. Always good to ask.

I am planning to run only one fan, from the CPU cooler.
To cool down my small CPU (i3-4330), and by the same way, to exhaust warm air from the case.

Either putting the fan on the case, if there is enough space, sucking the air through the close cooler, expulsing to the outside.
Or, if not enough space between cooler and back side, the fan will push air throught the cooler and to the outside.

Possibly adding some kind of horizontal ducting, for better flow direction.
(Like discussed, few message above:
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