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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:31 am 
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Hi!

Does anybody has some experience or feel, how the 3.5" WD Red 1TB compares to below 1-platter 2.5" drives, from noise perspective?

I mean these:
- WD Red 1TB WD10EFRX (3.5", 1 platter, spec says 21 dBA)
- Toshiba MQ01ABD050 500GB (2.5", 1 platter, spec says 17 dBA)
- Seagate Momentus SpinPoint M8 500GB (ST500LM012) (2.5", 1 platter, spec says 2.4 Bel) (This is actually Samsung)

I actually have 4 of the Toshiba MQ01ABD050, and another 4 of the Seagate ST500LM012. The Toshiba is definitely quieter indeed compared to the Seagate when talking about the idle hard disk spinning. However the Toshiba parks the head and have very often clicking sound. Parking can be easily disabled although, at least in Linux OS for the Toshiba.

How a WD Red 1 TB idle noise compares to such 2.5" drives, I wonder?

All are 1 platter HDD's....

EDIT: and I'm also interested in WD 2.5" drives:
- WD Scorpio Blue 500 GB WD5000LPVT (2.5", 7mm, 17 dBA)
- WD Scorpio Blue 500 GB WD5000LPVX (2.5", 7mm, 17 dBA)
- WD Scorpio Blue 500 GB WD5000MPCK (2.5", 5mm, 15 dBA!)

Are these WD Blue notebook disks quiet?


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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:16 pm 
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I recently fitted 16 of the 4GB Green drives into a backup server which runs Linux. I used the WD idle3ctl program to check and turn off idling, which was set to 80 seconds if I remember correctly, definitely much longer than the 8s that was once the factory settings on these drives.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:38 am 
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speculatrix wrote:
I recently fitted 16 of the 4GB Green drives into a backup server which runs Linux. I used the WD idle3ctl program to check and turn off idling, which was set to 80 seconds if I remember correctly, definitely much longer than the 8s that was once the factory settings on these drives.

Thanks for the information, this is really good to know. It seems WD is shuffling their pack regarding the firmware of Reds and Greens - might be removing overlap, might be something else...

Regarding 2.5" drives, I have no idea. I've never used them in desktop builds. In laptops I've found at least one Blue to be noisier than my current Green (WD10EARS-00Y5B1), but this was years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:07 am 
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# for X in /dev/sd?; do echo "===$X===" ; idle3ctl -g $X; done
===/dev/sda===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdb===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdc===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdd===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sde===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdf===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdg===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdh===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdi===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdj===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdk===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdl===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdm===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdn===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdo===
Idle3 timer is disabled
===/dev/sdp===
Idle3 timer is disabled



all is happy :-)


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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:06 am 
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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:26 am 
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I wish I had found this thread earlier. The "new" WD Reds are awful. Even with one drive the seek noise is annoying but when you load a NAS with them it is unbearable.

As has already been mentioned, this is made worse by the "background scan" noise every 10 seconds or so which means they are never quiet. I checked the wdidle utility and they are set correctly.

My "old" 3TB Reds are very quiet but I've now tried new 3, 4, 5 and 6TB models are they all have loud seeks.

Why on earth did WD stop the user from changing AAM settings? This would have been easy to fix if we could.

Any thoughts on Seagate NAS drives seek noise compared to the new Reds?


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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:55 am 
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Still don't have any new Reds to compare with, but I'm quite pleased with my Seagate ST3000VN000-1H4167. It's not as quiet as the old Reds, but it's well within tolerance range sitting under my desk in the workspace - it lets out grumbling noises and idles slightly louder*.

(* slightly louder than its RAID partner, a WD30EFRX-68AX9N0)

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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:02 am 
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RomanD wrote:
All new Reds in sale are now the louder ones. I'm not sure if the difference begins with NasWare 2.0 vs NasWare. I think they did it to increase performance (they must internally disable Automatic Acoustic Management). By HDTune, average seek is better now - 16 vs 21 ms, but hell they are so loud now, if you have Nas at home, especially fanless Nas like the Qnap's one, you will hear the difference.

As I found, all of them performing Background Media Scan on idle every 10 seconds, that is fine, but only on old Reds you can't hear it (as you can't hear seeking).

I tested 4TB made on february 2014 (I have no model number because I returned it), 3TB made also on 02/2014 has model WD30EFRX-68EUZN0. As I checked web about 4TB, they should be loud from beginning (25/28 dBA).

I found WD made at least one thing "quiet" - they changed pdf datasheets on their web site, without a notice. Here is current datasheet compared to 2013 one, what I downloaded via archive.org:

Idle/Seek (dBA)
2013
2014

WD30EFRX
23/24
23/27

WD20EFRX
23/24
23/27

WD10EFRX
21/22
21/24

I think your review should be updated, because now everywhere are reviewed older Reds, and people buying them when they need quiet Nas.


I'm really surprised there is less talk about this here. I mean it looks like there was a major change in the noise level of one of the top ranked drives on this site and even the (outdated?) reviews don't contain a warning?


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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:50 am 
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I just added a new 6TB Red alongside my 2 x 3TB Reds purchased 2 years ago, and to be honest, I can't hear any difference whatsoever in the overall noise signature (it is a ProLiant Micro Server G7). While I was waiting for the new 6TB I briefly used a 2TB "Enterprise" Seagate SATA I have spare, and that is one noisy drive. The 6TB Red is silent by comparison.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:59 am 
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I built a home file server with the Gigabyte GA-J1900D3V and a pair of WD Red 3TB drives, and more recently bought a Lenovo TS140 "server" and fitted that with a second drive, also a WD Red 3TB.

I wouldn't say the drives are particularly noisy, the fans in the TS140 drown out all the other sounds.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Green vs. WD Red for quietness?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:09 am 
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Interestingly it seems that a lot of people who have been complaining about the loud clunking sound seem to have RMA'd the drives and received more silent ones in return.


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