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 Post subject: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:12 am 
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CPU Cores/Threads Base clock Turbo clock TDP Price
Ryzen 3 3300 6/12 3.2Ghz 4.0GHz 50w $99
Ryzen 3 3300X 6/12 3.5GHz 4.3GHz 65w $129
Ryzen 3 3300G 6/12 3.0GHz 3.8GHz 65w $129
Ryzen 5 3600 8/16 3.6GHz 4.4GHz 55w $178
Ryzen 5 3600X 8/16 4.0GHz 4.8GHz 95w $229
Ryzen 5 3600G 8/16 3.2GHz 4.0GHz 95w $199
Ryzen 7 3700 12/24 3.8GHz 4.6GHz 95w $299
Ryzen 7 3700X 12/24 4.2GHz 5.0GHz 105w $329
Ryzen 9 3800X 16/32 3.9GHz 4.7GHz 125w $449
Ryzen 9 3850X 16/32 4.3GHz 5.1GHz 135w $499

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing ... d-to-know/

The Ryzen 5 3600X would be the sweet spot for me.


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 Post subject: Re: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:54 am 
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I find it unlikely that AMD will kill its own Threadripper line up with the R9, and the 135W seems way too good to be true.

We will see at CES i guess.


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I also find it very hard to believe, its a lot cheaper and faster, one can happen, but both would not be in the interest of AMD to do such good chips so cheap, the 3850x would cannibalize the 2950x for both things, price and performance. I expect the 16c to remain in threadripper, probably 12c might be fine for ryzen as an upgrade over the 8, thats enough for the mainstream platform.

Either way if this is true, Intel is in serious trouble.

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AMD now outselling Intel 2 to 1.

https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/amd- ... s-as-intel

Yeah, will wait to see what happens at CES. From what I can gather, the new 3000 chips will be compatible with current AMD AM4 mobos. If this is true, that's a big relief, since I just bought an AsRock X470 Taichi.

I think Intel is already starting to be in serious trouble. Their i9-9900k chips were a flop. They are also two years behind where they said they would be with their 7nm dies. And their executives are thin after a few top members were purged or left.


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 Post subject: Re: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
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I find it unlikely that AMD will kill its own Threadripper line up with the R9, and the 135W seems way too good to be true.
The Threadripper line won't be killed by the suggested R9, since Threadripper will also be updated. Expect up to 32 cores initially and possibly 64 cores later on.

135W TDP also seems reasonable for a 7nm unit.


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whispercat wrote:
AMD now outselling Intel 2 to 1.

https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/amd- ... s-as-intel

Yeah, will wait to see what happens at CES. From what I can gather, the new 3000 chips will be compatible with current AMD AM4 mobos. If this is true, that's a big relief, since I just bought an AsRock X470 Taichi.

I think Intel is already starting to be in serious trouble. Their i9-9900k chips were a flop. They are also two years behind where they said they would be with their 7nm dies. And their executives are thin after a few top members were purged or left.


8c/16t at 5ghz is a flop?


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8c/16t at 5ghz is a flop?
>150W to provide a performance advantage, and a cost of 50% above the competition, combined with a low production capability.
The actual number of CPUs sold must be way lower than Ryzen 7 2700(X).


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Let's see how that 6 cores $100 chip performs in games


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 Post subject: Re: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
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I see they on X570 too, after making the impression Ryzen2 3000 series would work on flashed X470's people are realising they gotta buy a new board again :/


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I see they on X570 too, after making the impression Ryzen2 3000 series would work on flashed X470's people are realising they gotta buy a new board again :/
There are no official news yet from AMD, so everything you read might or not be accurate, but from what i have heard, the initial plan is for x470 to be able to support Ryzen 3000 with a bios update, weather you will be able to run all of them... who knows... my fears go toward the 3850x and 3800x, where manufacturers might not have done the beefy VRMs that could handle 16 cores.... but we don't even know if it real or not.

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 Post subject: Re: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
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thesmileyone wrote:
I see they on X570 too, after making the impression Ryzen2 3000 series would work on flashed X470's people are realising they gotta buy a new board again :/

Socket AM4 motherboard BIOS update - ready for Ryzen 3000 CPUs - Series 500 Chipset

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Thus far there are the firmware updates primarily for 400series boards like the X470 and B450 chipset base products. However, some older X370 boards are spotted with support as well.

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 Post subject: Re: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
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Ryzen 9 3850X 16/32 4.3GHz 5.1GHz 135w $499

I hope this is real. Hell even 4.8ghz would do!

I joined a "sharing" site recently (not recently actually) which requires torrent seeding of lots of small files. I was going to build a raspberry pi system with an SSD for this, but raspberries don't support sata.

Then I realised I am due to upgrade my pc anyway so why not just buy a new case and psu and run two computers? Ergo I can run 3770k system as server and plex server for home entertainment, and new computer as gaming PC. It all works out!

So I am hoping 3k series will live up to spec. I have some doubts. If it doesn't, it will be 9700k or even a 9900k with HT turned off (making it a speed binned 9700k for £70 more).


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 Post subject: Re: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
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The "leaks" were overly optimistic, this is the real lineup (max 12 cores for now, maybe 16 cores reserved for a new Threadripper):
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14407/am ... -coming-77


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 Post subject: Re: New AMD Ryzen 3000 chips leaked
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Tzupy wrote:
The "leaks" were overly optimistic, this is the real lineup (max 12 cores for now, maybe 16 cores reserved for a new Threadripper):
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14407/am ... -coming-77
I dont think its reserved for TR, the vast amount of PCIe lanes is what makes TR a platform differentiates vs Ryzen 9. To me its because they didn't need to, i mean if the 12 core beats intel best on the market, why release it? they can wait for intel comet lake to release their 10 core 5ghz CPU that will probably marginally overtake the 12 core, then release the 16 core. The issue here is that the 12 core got the pricing of the 16 core leaks, so when they release the 16 core it will be more expensive, which is dangerous in terms of TR being so close with a lot more PCIe lanes, i felt the $500 for 16 core was a very good offer, now at $600 or whatever they release it... TR Gen2 might make more sense.

While its an impressive line that AMD release with the 15% IPC increase and the higher clocks than past gens, im a little disappointed into not reaching 5ghz boost. I want to see websites and youtubers bench it on games to see how it behaves. I also expected a little lower pricing, but i guess if you have the best atm you wont sell it for cheap.

Either way, the only thing that worries me about this new gen is all the small fans on the X570 chipset.

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chipset fans: Apparently the downside to PCIe 4 is higher power use for the chipset: 11W. Hence, the fans. Existing chipset is 6W.

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chipset fans: Apparently the downside to PCIe 4 is higher power use for the chipset: 11W. Hence, the fans. Existing chipset is 6W.
I hope someone can make a passive one, even now a days they do backplates for cooling vrms they could design it for the chipset???, i feel going back to small proprietary fans is a mistake, even if they are quiet now.... they probably wont remain like that over time.

I don't mind small fans, as long as they are replaceable and can be turn down to inaudible levels, recently i been adding Noctua NF-A4 PWM to my Samsung NVMEs, below 1500rpms they are not audible, at least under my environment, and they drop the the Nvmes around 15c on load.

Will be interesting what intel does in terms of the chipset, but i think i read they will still remain with PCIe 3.0 for at least next gen, i even read somewhere that intel was going into PCI 5.0 on their server line skipping 4.0, but i guess will see in the upcoming months with comet lake.

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Or, go back to the heatpipe based passive coolers.

Another interesting thing will be the announced PCIe 4.0 x 4 lane NVMe SSDs. How warm are they going to be? ;)

Hopefully, the CPU power efficiency is competitive. It'd be nice to not have a "performance, price, power use: pick one or two" situation.

The early Navi slides infer a 50% improvement on power use vs current gen. Which is much needed.

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Or, go back to the heatpipe based passive coolers.
They have pipes, check MEG X570 GODLIKE, ... and even then they have fans, the problem is that everybody to be doing this fan thing is that the Chipset is running extremly hot, i still think it can be done passively, but probably its much cheaper just to strap a fan on it.

Edit: There is one that has that its fanless, Gigabyte Mini-ITX X570 Motherboard & ATX Lineup, problem is that it costs $600.

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I guess you just get to pick performance and price...not power use ;)

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Are the turbo speeds for Ryzen 7 for single core, or all cores? If single core, has this changed from previous Ryzen?


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Or, go back to the heatpipe based passive coolers.
They have pipes, check MEG X570 GODLIKE, ... and even then they have fans, the problem is that everybody to be doing this fan thing is that the Chipset is running extremly hot, i still think it can be done passively, but probably its much cheaper just to strap a fan on it.

Edit: There is one that has that its fanless, Gigabyte Mini-ITX X570 Motherboard & ATX Lineup, problem is that it costs $600.


Looks like Aorus Extreme, is this correct? But if it's 600 $ / euros, yikes...
Those who don't need PCI-E 4.0, could use a X470 mobo, with the proper BIOS update.
I just cleaned the dust off my unused Thermalright HR-11 chipset cooler, hmm... this may be able to cool 15W...


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Anyone else having flashbacks of the Zalman chipset heatsinks? Especially the blue one, where you'd have to "comb" it over sometimes to fit in a graphics card. Good times...

And 11W really doesn't seem like much. Surprised all the OEMs so far are doing fans instead of a Zalman-like heatsink.

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Looks like Aorus Extreme, is this correct? But if it's 600 $ / euros, yikes...
Sad but true, and to what i seen is the only one. I also think its too much, i would have thought 400 would been alright, given that most high end boards hang around $300, but certainly a nice e atx board. There is another, not passive but watercooled, X570 ASRock Motherboards - There are 10 of them Coming!, now word on pricing on the X570 Aqua, but Gigabyte was a $800 board... so who knows.

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Those who don't need PCI-E 4.0, could use a X470 mobo, with the proper BIOS update.
Some will release Bios updates others wont, MSI is recommending not to do it, at least with the higher end. The VRMs of most x470 are not up to the task to handle the power draw that will be required by 12+cores, there are rumors that that 16 cores had engineering samples reaching 300W overclocked.... thats double of an OC 9900K, so good vrms are needed.

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I just cleaned the dust off my unused Thermalright HR-11 chipset cooler, hmm... this may be able to cool 15W...
Those thermalright were really good, maybe they can make a comeback, although with how big are GPU this days.... i kinda think its going to be hard to mount this type of coolers. I would like to see something going up a little to clear the usual motherboard pins and then create the fins downward, but i doubt we will see it.

I really want to see how PCIe 4.0 helps in all of this, Navi is going to come as the first gpus 4.0, but their performance is not even up to par with RTX2080ti, and even that dont saturate a 16x pcie 3.0, so the uses come more into iops or multiple gpu setup, but the use for normal users is vague. I'm interested on seeing what intel will do next, although i kinda think they wont implement pcie 4.0 for the next gen or two.

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Anyone else having flashbacks of the Zalman chipset heatsinks? Especially the blue one, where you'd have to "comb" it over sometimes to fit in a graphics card. Good times...

It was the first thing I thought of. :)
The ol' NB-47.

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CA_Steve wrote:
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Anyone else having flashbacks of the Zalman chipset heatsinks? Especially the blue one, where you'd have to "comb" it over sometimes to fit in a graphics card. Good times...

It was the first thing I thought of. :)
The ol' NB-47.


The NB-47 is small, would overheat with 15W, and would probably block a long gfx card. My comparison with a Nexus cooler and the HR-11.
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:wink: Wasn't implying the NB-47 would work for this...just that the fanned NB reminded me of past solutions...it was one of the things I modded in my first SPCR style PC.

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Yeah, that is pretty disappointing as I'm planning to build a Ryzen 3000 to replace one of my passively cooled Haswell PC I built almost six years ago. The new PC will still be very compact but no longer passively cooled as I need something with better performance than an iGPU, but a small whiny chipset fan on an ITX motherboard? Meh!


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Yeah, that is pretty disappointing as I'm planning to build a Ryzen 3000 to replace one of my passively cooled Haswell PC I built almost six years ago. The new PC will still be very compact but no longer passively cooled as I need something with better performance than an iGPU, but a small whiny chipset fan on an ITX motherboard? Meh!


Supposedly the fan is only needed for things like 2xNVME RAID, and will not spin up for normal usage. Will have to wait for actual reviews, but hope that is the case!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:56 am 
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flyingsherpa wrote:
blankus wrote:
Abula wrote:


Yeah, that is pretty disappointing as I'm planning to build a Ryzen 3000 to replace one of my passively cooled Haswell PC I built almost six years ago. The new PC will still be very compact but no longer passively cooled as I need something with better performance than an iGPU, but a small whiny chipset fan on an ITX motherboard? Meh!


Supposedly the fan is only needed for things like 2xNVME RAID, and will not spin up for normal usage. Will have to wait for actual reviews, but hope that is the case!


I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that is the case! Since I'm keeping my PC's for quite some time I'm not that eager to buy a X470 based motherboard that is EOL or soon to be.

Luckily I do not need NVME RAID so perhaps I'm lucky :o


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