Ralf Hutter wrote:
Buy a Dell 8300 or build a computer on the Sonata platform. I am not going for complete silence just something that is not a jet engine like the computer I have now.
...Dells can be more of a crap-shoot. Sure some are quiet, but some aren't (depending on the vagueries of Dell's hardware kit) and I doubt that they'd let you return it becasue it is "too loud"....
...Please though, DON'T get a Dell without giving ARM a fair shake. These guys know their shit and their prices are pretty darn competitive too. They'll sell you a system that will
be quiet and it appears that they have good support as well.
(edited down for ARM vs Dell content)
Thank you Ralf
, One of our guiding principles is that the true experts in the quiet computing field can genuinely hold us in high regard based upon real world results, and coming from someone as experienced and well respected as you means a lot to us.
I could type all day on this topic. I have before in another thread I did. However to get a clearer understand I am wondering if I could chat with Steve at ARM systems. I know he is a busy man and I am not really serious to buy right now but in the near future I will. Let me know in a PM. Thanks.
I always do my very best to actively correspond with the good folks of SPCR, so you, and anyone else at SPCR, are encouraged to PM, email, IM, or call me at ARM directly. If you contact me outside of a PM at SPCR, please identify yourself as being an SPCR member so that I can prioritize your call to the top of the queue.
As for Dell, trust me, their high end systems with newer generation components definitely DO NOT qualify as SPCR Quiet when under load. However, their low end units with very basic configurations aren't too bad noisewise. In a nutshell they spend as little as possible on their design to 'noise reduce' their systems for the bulk of the population. This cuts noise down some, but this discussion thread is about a P4 3.4GHz high performance system, and when it comes to high performance rigs, an ARM StealthPC will easily best any Dell system in a quiet contest by a good margin.
Please don't get the wrong idea about this issue just because I am a competing vendor. I am not trying to slam Dell unfairly, but let's be realistic here, they are a very profit driven bottom line company, which means they only put enough $ into their system designs to meet their warranty/failure goals, and to satisfy the majority of customers acoustically vs their other big brand competitors under average usage profiles. Which translates into - 'Dell systems are usually quieter than their big brand tier-one competitors' however, they are most definitely a lot louder than a similarly configured ARM StealthPC, or a carefully designed DIY system when put under load or built with high end components.
Add to that the fact that most tier one built systems, are usually proprietary and come with very stringent warranty policies, so you cannot just crack them open to work on them as you see fit, do so and you will immediately void their warranty. In contrast, our StealthPC complete systems and our DIY kits, are built on industry standard components, with our StealthPC enhancements of course
, and if you want to work on them, go right ahead, we won't void your warranty!
We just expect you to be reasonable and responsible adults about how you work on them, then be honest with us when you call us for support if something goes very wrong because you did something way out of bounds, i.e. please don't ask us to pay the price if you accidentally
fried your system. A good customer/vendor relationship goes both ways, and most mature responsible adults actually prefer it that way. It might sound a bit 'old fashioned' but we at ARM prefer to trust our customers first and ask for the same in return, and to date this philosophy has overwhelmingly proven to be worthwhile for both parties.
However, each person casts their vote for a particular vendor with their hard earned dollars as to what is right for them. Do a little homework first, and then decide based upon that research what is best for you.