Clock per clock AMD was not better until they released thunderbird. First athlon generations were actually slower to MHz equivalent Intel CPUs. And even after thunderbird release I'd say they were tied performance wise. Battle at 600Mhz . I didn't count, but I am sure the Athlon beat the P3 more of...

I look forward to that.

My motherboard temp reading is abnormally high compared to others. I wonder why..

But the Ninja is a good marketing name...

Ninja -> Silent -> Passive

It seems to me that when the Athlon came out initially as a 650mHz and then 700mHz, that the Pentium !!! was still at 550mHz. I am pretty sure it started at 500mhz actually, but in very small quantity. 600Mhz P3 was available at the time of the K7 700Mhz, but by then AMD has already established its...

^ Touche!

I am wondering how this compares to the stock cooler of the X1800/X1900 series. They don't seem bad at all in terms of cooling.

How about fan speed?

Your idle temp doesn't seem out of the ordinary (my Opteron 165 at stock idles at around that temperature). But your load temperature is very strange. The stock heatpipe heatsink seems to cope much better than that o.O

Does this mean there is nothing set to replace the Ninja on the horizon?

Will Scythe update the Ninja to add support for AM2 (out of the box)?

Just wondering. There is a review of the Intel Prescott stock cooler. How about a similar one for the AMD Heatpipe cooler? I just bought an Opteron, and I am wondering how much I would gain from going with a Zalman 9500/Scythe Ninja. (This stock cooler is by far more quiet than my old socket A cooler)

Hello, I was wondering what is the fan speed of the S12 range of PSUs.

PC Probe II is reporting 727, which seems pretty slow considering that I have not tried to slow it down or anything.

Ooh, that's it. I am keeping my stock AMD cooler until those new fans come out. I am a bit worried the Scythe Ninja won't fit my case and it is not exactly cheap over here.

I never said that Intel made crappy chipsets / mobos, but that AMD CPUs were used on such mobos. Sorry, the last part of my last post wasn't directed at you but ~El~Jefe~. I guess I should've quoted it: BUT! amd wasnt trying to pawn off crap like p4 when other better chips were around, they did as ...

I resent that! Not only I played games on K5-PR166 and K6-2/400, but also did software development on those - some 6-8 years ago IIRC! It's true that there were many crappy motherboards used with those CPUs though... Still, few would argue that at the time, Intel had chips with better FPU performan...

so, that's why i say SCREW INTEL. force feed us crap, refuse good things because of marketing/businessdeals/pride, leave em be is what I say. YEA! SCREW INTEL! ... actually, no. No one forced you or anyone to buy Intel... unless you buy from Dell anyway. They made some mistake. It costed them our m...

From a performance point of view it's exciting to know how much overclocking potential that Conroe has. Current 90nm FX-60s cannot be pushed over 3.0Ghz with air cooling, so the overclocking headroom of FX-60 isn't really spectacular. Then again, the FX-60 is the current top of the line. Those chip...

The Intel chip was an advanced yet unreleased model, while the AMD was a current, retail model. When Intel current best is compared w/ AMD's current best, then it will be a more relevant contest. Agreed. -- The comparison was interesting and exciting, but it's naturally biased. Yes, I have no doubt...

If you generalize the typical buyers of Intel and AMD, it could be said that Intel is more of a safe choise for "wussies". For the past few years AMD has been the nr.1 extreme overclocking platform. I know that Intel has some overclocking as well (I said this so TomZ doens't have to feel like point...

Agreed but which version & which board - decisions, decisions... :lol: (thanks for that link BTW) I can't be bothered modding the board, so the DFI version is out (since it uses a fan for cooling). That leaves Abit as the only other option (unless Asus does a "Premium" version of this board in 6 mo...

I think you are right in this. Most people with Intel motherboards/chipsets are very very satisfied. I have never heard owner of Intel motherboard complain. Well, I fondly remember my Asus BX motherboard. It was one of the best along with Abit's offering at the time. And it still worked after 7 yea...

Sorry, but in this matter vice president of Creative audios has more authority then you, even if he wasn't a technician/engineer. Without proof, your words are just an opinion to me. So please feel free to elaborate, either in this thread or in a new one. I have to say, I am skeptical about those s...

Ah, didn't think of that point.

Guess I'll try out this stock cooler. Actually, I don't even know if I have a heatpipe version. My opteron is still boxed (and being a low end dual core Opteron, it might not have heatpipe based coolers.

Makes me wonder though. How hard would it be for PSU manufacturer to include some type of system load monitor?

Umm, my last PSU was a Noisetaker (though one of higher wattage than what you have). I find the Seasonic to be quieter than the Enermax.

There is still the option of getting the 430W PSU and add a PCIe power adapter later on..

Is there anywhere I can get a review/comparison of the stock heatpipe AMD cooler and some of those larger towers?

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2705&p=5 This part should please silencers: RD580, or Crossfire Xpress 3200 is a solid performer that is much more mature than earlier ATI chipsets. Crossfire performance was trouble free with RD580 and, very significantly, RD580 ran much cooler in...

What I find particularly interesting is that Intel's Chief Technology Officer predicted as early as 2000 that this continuous clock scaling with continuous heat increase was unsustainable, but did nothing about it . They foresaw the disadvantages of the Prescott, but they made it anyway . I think t...

Lucky! That is half the price of a Ninja + Yate Loon over here! Actually, I have a similar problem now. I have an Opteron 165, but I am not sure whether to stick with the stock cooler, or go ahead and get the Ninja. The Ninja cost a fair fortune here ($55), though I already have some 120mm Yate Loon...

That's what progress is all about, sure Intel have an unjustified dominance in the consumer market (surprised antitrust lawsuits have not been brought against them) but to actively want them to exploit this duopoly is bizarre. I certainly agree that progress is good. Fast progress is even better (e...

Umm, I am building a new system. As much as I am tempted by the Scythe Ninja, would it be better if I stick with the stock cooler (since I am building a retail chip anyway), until newer coolers/AM2 compatible revisions of the coolers are released?). Bump and going back to this... I am still not dec...

Thanks. I am interested to see whether the Ninja & Yate Loon combo would fit on my Coolermaster 201 'Black Widow'. The official width is the same as your 210, although but there is little room for error. As in your case, if it doesn't fit, then I have an excuse to get the P180. But I rather not at t...

I decided to throw a poll in, but what I'd really like to see on this thread, is if people could kindly post high resolution pictures of the two "flavours" available. I have some kind of bias towards black (most of my system is black). My current case is a Coolermaster CM 201 'Black Widow', which is...