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by Felger Carbon
Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:42 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: SpeedFan 4.34 Final
Replies: 8
Views: 5058

croddie wrote:I don't understand why speedfan doesn't install itself as a service.
"as a service"? If that means it is alway running, then, for example, RMClock can never be run because the two are incompatible (they want to grab the same paths). I would not want that.
by Felger Carbon
Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:59 pm
Forum: CPU Cooling
Topic: Thermalright XP-90 still viable?
Replies: 10
Views: 5101

Re: Thermalright XP-90 still viable?

valnar wrote:Any reason not to buy one?
Yes. Don't buy one to cool a hot 4-core CPU. Seriously.

If you want an HSF for a low-power nongaming nonvideo decoding PC, it's still a terrific product. The machine I'm typing on at the moment, my #1 machine, uses one.
by Felger Carbon
Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:49 am
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: 4ea 80mm fans tested at equal airflow and 3"
Replies: 16
Views: 18182

What diameter is the propeller? Some fans push air out in a cone, and some have a more cylindrical (or at least a narrower cone); so this might affect the results, if it is not large enough to "catch" all the air... The sensor propeller is a 5.82" (called 6"), cut down to 80mm. This provides a heav...
by Felger Carbon
Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:28 pm
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: 4ea 80mm fans tested at equal airflow and 3"
Replies: 16
Views: 18182

Ah -- the sensor is the propeller , and when it's RPM's are 824 (or whatever), that's when you take the fan speed. The name "sensor" was confusing, because it makes it sound like it was part of the fan... Yes, the propeller is the "airflow sensor". If two (or more) fans have the same sensor RPM, th...
by Felger Carbon
Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:02 pm
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: 4ea 80mm fans tested at equal airflow and 3"
Replies: 16
Views: 18182

Since the sensor RPMs are all the same (that's the "equal airflow"), the other RPMs are the fan RPMs. Note that different fans require different RPMs to achieve the airflow - the one with the lowest fan RPM is the one that has the highest fan pitch, etc. The voltage is the fan voltage required to ru...
by Felger Carbon
Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:50 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: PWM and volt mod?
Replies: 1
Views: 1720

Re: PWM and volt mod?

Looking at this 4-pin Nexus fan... problem is I don't like the RPM range. The Arctic Cooling AF8085PWM sells for $5US, and has native RPM of 600-2000. Reducing the voltage of a PWM fan while retaining PWM is tricky; I posted on that subject back when the A-C PWMs first came out. A small change in v...
by Felger Carbon
Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:09 am
Forum: Silent Storage
Topic: 3.5" 80GB SATA for OS & Program files
Replies: 9
Views: 3286

I think I'm gonna go for the Hitachi DeskStar 7K160 - hard drive - 160 GB - SATA-300 . Please let me know if you have any experience with this drive. ;) I've been using the 7K160 since they first came out, and they have worked well for me. They have good performance, typical of that (now older) gen...
by Felger Carbon
Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:12 am
Forum: CPU Cooling
Topic: OCZ Vendetta 2 vs TRUE?
Replies: 2
Views: 2703

Re: OCZ Vendetta 2 vs TRUE?

Anyone have any testing on this or plan to do ? It seems like an intressting piece :) I you had Googled "OCZ Vendetta 2 review" you would have found, as the first hit, a review of the V2. And as it happens, the TRUE is one of the three coolers used for comparison. However, the review did not even m...
by Felger Carbon
Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:10 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Best 80mm fans?
Replies: 7
Views: 3916

I've tried the Enermax Enlobal fan, and it is very quiet. The caveat is that the one I have vibrates quite a bit, so mounting it might be an issue. I measured the Enlobal Marathon 80mm fan today (see User Reviews), and it was indeed very quiet. My sample had no noticeable vibration, so this is appa...
by Felger Carbon
Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:27 pm
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: 4ea 80mm fans tested at equal airflow and 3"
Replies: 16
Views: 18182

4ea 80mm fans tested at equal airflow and 3"

Sunbeam Silent Core Fan 1500RPM 21.5CFM SilenX New Version (high pitch) Scythe Kama Flex 2000RPM 27CFM Enermax Marathon 1500RPM 24CFM Ambient noise 29.5dBA (daytime), 3" microphone distance (geometrically same as 120mm fan at 4.5"), sensor RPM 824RPM for all fans. Sunbeam 11.89V 1594RPM 39.6dBA Mara...
by Felger Carbon
Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:37 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Sunbeam tech silent core fan
Replies: 8
Views: 4099

After many months, the 120mm version is apparently being sold at some select foreign locations. I have the 80mm version; it's a very good fan. The Sunbeam link in the first posting in this thread is still active.
by Felger Carbon
Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:38 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Recommended 92mm fans?
Replies: 5
Views: 3139

Jab-Tech carries the Nexus 92mm Silent, but they also carry the Scythe Kama Flex in low and medium speed versions. According to my tests, the Kama Flex is better. It's also cheaper.
by Felger Carbon
Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm
Forum: The Silent Front
Topic: Cheap, readily available sound meter for SPCR forum members?
Replies: 54
Views: 59795

Free-field mikes are what you want; interesting as that's what anandtech use and they claim a 15dB(A) noise floor: http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3021&p=7 Googling "microtech gefell" reveals they make studio microphones and amplifiers, not sound level meters. Anandtech buil...
by Felger Carbon
Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:52 pm
Forum: The Silent Front
Topic: Cheap, readily available sound meter for SPCR forum members?
Replies: 54
Views: 59795

To add to the list of SLMs with low A-wtd noise levels: The Larson Davis models 812 and 820 have a noise base of 17.5dBA. The Casella CEL 430.A1 has a noise level of 16.5dBA. All are Type 1 SLMs and not cheap. All use 1/2" free-field microphones with 200V polarization. At the moment the dollar value...
by Felger Carbon
Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:24 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: 5.25 bay intake fan...
Replies: 5
Views: 2703

andyb wrote:Someone on here turned a 120mm fan into a blower.
Bluefront. I think maybe he called it a "slot fan"??
by Felger Carbon
Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:44 am
Forum: CPU Cooling
Topic: anyone here tried the Noise Limit SilentFlux coolers?
Replies: 4
Views: 3423

Directron carries both an AMD and a 775 version, not expensive. The Denmark review cited above was written before the production unit appeared. Dunno what countries have the product available besides us Yanks.
by Felger Carbon
Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:12 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Slipstream800 really *IS* the sweet spot!
Replies: 52
Views: 22367

The Slipstream800 really *IS* the sweet spot!

Neil Blanchard has posted several times that the 800RPM model is the sweet spot for Slipstreams. I decided to check up on him. First, about equal airflow: all five Slipstreams share the same injection-molded hub/blade assembly. If they're rotating at the same RPM, then they're pushing the same air. ...
by Felger Carbon
Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:44 pm
Forum: CPU Cooling
Topic: New HSFs, especially suited to AMD mobos
Replies: 4
Views: 2336

New HSFs, especially suited to AMD mobos

This Sunbeam HSF is also offered by Xigmatek under the "Prima" name. Its mounting has been changed to allow the cooler to blow air into the exhaust fan rather than the PSU. It's been frustrating to me to see all those really good HSFs that work only on Intel mobos because blowing hot air into the P...
by Felger Carbon
Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:50 am
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: Enermax Magma and Slipstream1200 tested with equal CFM
Replies: 6
Views: 19078

As far as that "low pressure" thing is concerned......your testing is done in free air, without any restrictions to airflow. I suppose this is the normal way fans are tested, and cfm specs published. (marketing tweaking aside). Correct. Normal fan testing, including in my equal-airflow fixtures, is...
by Felger Carbon
Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:36 am
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: Enermax Magma and Slipstream1200 tested with equal CFM
Replies: 6
Views: 19078

More fan data

Some more data on these two fans: The Magma starts, using a Sunbeam Rheostat, at 4V (720RPM) and runs at 2V (352RPM). The Sunbeam uses "Darlington Emitter Followers" which means the voltage drops as the current increases, so that's a very conservative starting voltage if you're using a stiffer sourc...
by Felger Carbon
Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:44 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Looking for Fan Controller Recommendation
Replies: 6
Views: 4006

JaYp146 , Do you know if this is an analog fan controller. I think the Mosfet right behind the knobs should get hot if it is. There's only one resistor on the controller board per channel, so hard to tell by the pic. This is a high frequency PWM, whose minimum setting is 50%. I have one. Tried to m...
by Felger Carbon
Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:29 pm
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: Enermax Magma and Slipstream1200 tested with equal CFM
Replies: 6
Views: 19078

What I'm reading here.....The SS turns your sensor 856rpms @1262rpms. The Magma needs to turn 1565rpms to produce the same airflow? ......And at that rpm is 4.5dBA louder? If that's the case, I cannot see any advantage to the Magma at all. The Magma needs more RPM because it's a lower pitch fan. Lo...
by Felger Carbon
Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:07 pm
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: Enermax Magma and Slipstream1200 tested with equal CFM
Replies: 6
Views: 19078

Enermax Magma and Slipstream1200 tested with equal CFM

The Magma I have (and opened first, I have another) is a "hot" unit, turning 1657RPM at 12.00V here in KF's thinnish air. So, I used the slower unit - the Slipstream1200 - as the reference, as usual. About the sensor prop: I cropped another, new, 5.82" prop down to 120mm for use as the sensor. My re...
by Felger Carbon
Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:16 pm
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: 3 PWM fans and a Slipstream tested with equal airflow
Replies: 8
Views: 14969

3 PWM fans and a Slipstream tested with equal airflow

Here are 4ea brand-new, yet unpackaged fans for testing, and the tool needed to open the Enermax Cluster package: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4903/pwm1ir9.th.jpg The fans are the A-C PWM 1500RPM, the Scythe PWM 1200RPM, the Enermax Cluster PWM fan at 1200RPM, and the 1200RPM Slipstream 3-pin ...
by Felger Carbon
Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:02 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Current Top Fan?
Replies: 18
Views: 5955

In my opinion, the Scythe Slipstream 800RPM is the best fan right now. The 500RPM is the quietest at 12v (no surprise, really). I find it strange that you say that, because the Scythe S-FLEX 800RPM (8.7dBA) is quieter than the Scythe Slipstream 800RPM (10.70dBA). If you measure at equal RPM, you're...
by Felger Carbon
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:25 am
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: A quick equal-airflow comparison of slipstream, new enermax
Replies: 4
Views: 7871

Well damn....I've been waiting for these new fans to show up. Looks like a big disappointment. Those Scythe Slip-Stream fans are going to be hard to beat. Thanks for all the testing.......maybe you can get some of those -db SilenX 120s and run them against the Slip-Stream. :D Thinking of you, Bluef...
by Felger Carbon
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:20 am
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: A quick equal-airflow comparison of slipstream, new enermax
Replies: 4
Views: 7871

looks like a resounding victory for the Slipstream, albeit based on initial results. I agree. It also looks as if the 800RPM model is quieter than the 500 at equal airflow - something I'm gonna have to test. I've got lotsa testing lined up - I now have (still in their boxes) unused samples of the E...
by Felger Carbon
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:07 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Nexus 120/92mm PWM now available.
Replies: 12
Views: 7093

Re: Nexus 120mm PWM now available.

Access denied wrote:next time check what they say before u say somesthing:
http://www.nexustek.nl/NXS-120mm-pwm-fa ... -quiet.htm
Information is a good thing to have. Do you know on what date that data was posted by Nexus? :P
by Felger Carbon
Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:40 pm
Forum: The Silent Front
Topic: Cheap, readily available sound meter for SPCR forum members?
Replies: 54
Views: 59795

Also, noise at different frequencies does not mask as well as noise at the same frequency. Thus, two fans will only be minimally louder, but a fan and a HDD at the same dB level but different frequencies will be much more noticeable. "Coctail party effect": you can track, and understand, a conversa...
by Felger Carbon
Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:42 pm
Forum: User Reviews
Topic: A quick equal-airflow comparison of slipstream, new enermax
Replies: 4
Views: 7871

A quick equal-airflow comparison of slipstream, new enermax

Units tested were an old Enermax Marathon (1 of 3 samples I have), a new Enermax Magma (1 of 2), and a new Scythe Slipstream 800 (1 of 2). The ambient noise was 27.9dBA. I selected 3" microphone distance because the Marathon was at 35.8dBA and I wanted as much distance as practical. Bad choice, the ...