DaRuSsIaMaN wrote:Not quite. They switched the PSU as well as took out the video card.

oops.

mobile platforms are impressive indeed, one of the advantages of buying a nettop is that it will most likely use less power than a custom mitx build.

the board is a early sample, the retail ones will have the bigger heatsink. presumably everything else will remain the same so 14w idle should be achievable, msi have proved that they are one of the more efficient motherboard makers. a good review too, i especially like the power consumption graphs,...

the pico according to the review.

i think the reason the seasonic was mistaken was because it's mentioned in the previous page explaining ac to dc conversion. i fell for it too until i took a closer look at the test system component list.

undervolt more? yippee! looking forward to the results with optimism.

perhaps the mhz readings you're getting are unreliable, a new version of cpuz just came out and it officially supports zacate/ontario. might be worth a shot.

another advantage of using an ssd - no big spikes in power consumption :) i'll probably jump the gun on a picopsu-80 and an edac ea1050( link ) 60w power brick, the edac isn't as good as the one from minibox but it's cheap and readily available. will report back if/when i get it together. edit: foun...

i know i'm cutting it close here, but the plan is to use the pico for a zacate system later so 60w is plenty. 38w idle seems pretty high, from memory there was a thread when the 785g chips first came out and someone undervolted an athlon ii 240 with my motherboard and almost broke 30w in idle (with ...

specs are: sempron 140 800mhz@0.77v, 2.7ghz@1.1v gigabyte ga-ma785gm-us2h stock kingston v series 64gb ssd kingston value ram ddr2 2x1gb would a picopsu-80 and a 60w brick be sufficient? a quick search on spcr has given me conflicting numbers. i've seen 41/47w idle/load and also 45/75w idle/load, th...

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Fusion-Hits-Retail-Zotac-and-Gigabyte-E350s-Tested/?page=8 power consumption page of the hothardware gigabyte e350n-usb3 and zotac e350 based zbox review. the zbox does 13w idle, 23w cpu load and 29w cpu+gpu load... makes you wonder if some new driver or bios stuf...

hence the summary :) on another note, an asrock budget board has surfaced on newegg: $110, no usb3, not all solid caps, maybe a less extensive bios. interestingly, it doesn't have a p4 power connection. asrock also have another version which has usb3 and all solid caps, hopefully it's still a good c...

some comments at the tech report e350n-usb3 preview from another owner put the power consumption at 17w idle and 28w load with a 75w brick, pretty much the same as the asus, i wouldn't put my hopes up :( i'm surprised there was no undervolting in the review, there might not be much of a difference b...

discussed in length here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=61118&p=533579#p533579

summary:
sb numbers are estimated dc, fusion is ac.
looking at picopsu efficiency, fusion dc numbers should be about 13w idle, 23w cpu load, 30w cpu/gpu load.

i believe this is the first review that has used an appropriate psu so thanks :D power numbers are about 5w higher in idle and load compared to the engineering sample which sucks. so much for driver and efficiency improvements. the mini itx gigabyte e350n-usb3 is available on newegg for an extra $10...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... K:MEWAX:IT

looks pretty good and reported accuracy is 0.5%.

i'm trying to justify buying one...

finally some overclocking!

gigabyte ga-e350n-usb3 [email protected], unfortunately there aren't any numbers that would point to performance gains vs power consumption, or even effects on general usage -the fact that it can oc though is welcome news.

msi e350ia-e45 review at hardware heaven.

power consumption looks high again, partly in fault to the 1200w(!!!) psu and extra raptors, still worrying none the less.

asrock e350m1 review at tom's hardware. nothing new, but the power consumption looks high compared to earlier numbers taken from the engineering sample. i really hope that the motherboard is crap, and the preview sample wasn't optimised for low power. on the plus side, asrock plan to sell this board...

from the anandtech performance preview: In most of our benchmarks the performance advantage over Atom isn't huge, yet using Brazos is much better than using an Atom based machine. It all boils down to one thing: single threaded performance. Atom can make up for its deficiencies by executing a lot of...

if zacate was too slow i would consider llano, it should be considerably cheaper than low end sandy and will probably have a better gpu. by all indications intel will stick to the hd2000 with their low end cpus, a shame really.

mmm... i'd prefer a mini-itx, i've always wanted one

i just hope general usage is fast and responsive, my atom powered netbook can be frustrating at times.

i agree, intel missed an opportunity there.

preview at bit-tech.

some pics and more info, and some stuff on an asus and msi board

power consumption seems a strong point of the amd platform, as tested by hothardware anyway, i think the performance/watt is quite impressive.

i'm more interested in the llano, it's like a poor mans sandy bridge.

i say the antec because it's smaller, i don't like empty space and the silverstone will end up with lots. cooling an ion quietly in either case will be easy, and two good low rpm 80mms in the antec can be just as quiet as one 120mm in the silverstone. i'd also rather have a leftover pico-like psu th...

again you're blaming the signal from the video card, and refusing to acknowledge that some monitors can't do well even with a good signal. for example: vga out on my hd4200 produces a crisp as can be image on my dell s2409w and samsung 19", while the image on my acer x201w and dell 2007fp is 'blurry...

i've never seen a crt produce a rock solid picture. i believe it's simply a product of how a picture is produced, electrons through a vacuum and whatnot. of course there exists lcds that work absolutely fine over vga- i have listed 2. but there are also some that simply will not work well over vga, ...

the fan speeds during idle are impressive, and the controller on a controller is a great idea! i've also recently discovered another trick for small fan speed tweaks: quite often pwm fans react differently to voltage and pwm control, and i'm guessing that motherboards have different logarithms for e...

i can say with certainty that in my case, it has always been the monitors. i have tried 3 different onboard gpus: an intel gma950, nvidia 7025 and now an amd hd4200. 7 different lcds: dell 20"(2007fp), dell 24"(s2409w), benq 17", samsung 19", viewsonic 20", acer 20"(x201w) and an acer 26" lcd tv. th...

about half the lcds i've ever used refuse to work well with a vga connection- the image is blurry regardless of how i tweak and change my settings, but i've also had a few that worked perfectly (a 19" samsung and a 24" dell). my problem was always just a blurry picture- kinda like a crt monitor, per...

You don't think Jmicron could improve on their products in newer generations? i do and they clearly have, i wrote myself that they've sorted out some old problems. the cheaper kingston beat the vertex 2 in some benchmarks which i found surprising, i honestly expected the vertex 2 to beat it soundly...

thanks for the link JamieG, guess i simply wasn't looking hard enough! i think if you wanted a odd, you'd get a different case. i for one want to move away from them since hdds are now cheaper per gb, in the off chance i need to read/write a disc, i'd just hook one up through usb or open up the case...