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by ferdb
Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:12 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: which 120mm fans I should buy for my ever case 4252?
Replies: 33
Views: 23720

The quietest 120mm dc fan is the Nexus. Even at a full 12V though it doesn't move a lot of air, but if it moves enough air for your needs it can't be beat for quietness by any other 12V dc fan. The other option is the Globe 1202512L. It isn't as quiet as the Nexus but it's miles ahead of the rest of...
by ferdb
Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:23 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

The Sunon DP200A-2123XST fans are available at Allied Electronics http://www.alliedelec.com/ The specific page is http://www.alliedelec.com/Catalog/pf.asp?FN=551.pdf There is a $25 minimum order The 2123XST has a terminal connection which you can either solder to or use a connector. Allied sells a n...
by ferdb
Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:36 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Largest 12v fan that I could buy online right now?
Replies: 16
Views: 6671

BTW the info on the Papst 6224 /2H is incorrect on the All Electronics site, it's a 280CFM fan.
by ferdb
Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:35 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Largest 12v fan that I could buy online right now?
Replies: 16
Views: 6671

I have one of the Papst 6224 24v fans from all electronics. It is NOT quiet, even when undervolted as slow as it will go. If you want quiet you'll either need to use something like the Nexus 120x25 fans, or the Globe 120x25 (somewhat noisier at all speeds, but flows a lot more air at 12V if you need...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:30 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

I'll second that motion. Nexus is the quietest with almost no motor or bearing noise, mostly wind noise. Globes have more bearing noise at all speeds, but a lot higher airflow at the top end if you can put up with the noise at those rpms. Basically use the Nexus 120mm fans unless they just can't sup...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:35 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Voltage control for a thermal-controlled fan?
Replies: 10
Views: 3631

Re: Voltage control for a thermal-controlled fan?

P.S. I stopped folding and let the system cool for a few minutes. Then restarted. The fan in my PSU does not get a visible 12V kickstart.[/quote]

The kickstarts only occur on power-up.
by ferdb
Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:31 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

There are axial fans much larger. However all the DC brushless fans larger than 120mm that I've tried are not quiet even when undervolted, (they are noisier than even the worst 120mm fans). If you want to use a large fan on your case I would definitely get an AC fan and undervolt it. You can find AC...
by ferdb
Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:52 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Restarted fan stops buzzing/rattling
Replies: 1
Views: 1220

The bearings are worn on the fan and there is enough slop that it can break into an oscillation around the bearing axis, it's called precession. Think of a spinning top that's wobbling. Replace the fan to fix the problem.
by ferdb
Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:41 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

This was my experience also with the 120x38mm Panaflo L1A's. The noise you are refering to is the coil switching noise in the motor. When the coils switch on they deliver a sudden torque pulse to the fan and the whole thing sounds like an idling diesel engine. This is aggravated by the large motor h...
by ferdb
Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:12 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

I got 3 of those also, they were a little quieter than the current Panaflo's but they still have a lot of motor noise for me. Compared to the Nexus and Globes 120x25 they are pretty noisey. I've kind of given up on finding a quiet 120x38 brushless DC fan. I'm either going to use Nexus or Globe 120x2...
by ferdb
Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:17 pm
Forum: Watercooling
Topic: what type of water for reserator...distilled or de-ionised?
Replies: 21
Views: 11529

you should be able te get distilled at a supermarket or pharmacy. I got a gallon far about $1
by ferdb
Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:12 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: PWM v Voltage regulation - nice summary article
Replies: 7
Views: 3828

Heh, yeah. And PWM on the fan is not going to shorten coil life, and the statement that voltage control doesn't let you run your fans slow is misleading also. But there is usefull information in the article.
by ferdb
Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:08 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Is it safe to run 2 Globe 120 mm fans with 7V adapter?
Replies: 16
Views: 5596

You can get Fanmates for $3-$4 if you look around. Hard to beat that with the ease of use (connectors etc) and the adjustability. I find things change in my system with upgrades etc and the adjustability is extremely convienient compared to changing resistors.
by ferdb
Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:04 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

I also just got some OEM 120mm Panaflo's in. They are accually really quiet. Well at leat mine are. They are unaudible when undervolted at 5 volts and still push enough air to decently cool my case. At 7v you can just hear the whooshing of air and at 12 you hear a slight humming if you put your ear...
by ferdb
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:10 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Is it safe to run 2 Globe 120 mm fans with 7V adapter?
Replies: 16
Views: 5596

With the 7V mod you are essentially supplying current into the 5V line from the 12V line. If you supply more current than is being drawn by other devices in the system it will pull the 5V line above 5v and out of regulation. Then everything that is connected to the 5V line will be exposed to whateve...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:51 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

burcakb wrote:
ferdb wrote: Globe makes a 120x38mm fan, ...
Where did you get that information? Globe does NOT make 120x38mm fans.
http://www.globefan.com/DC.htm
http://www.globe-motors.com/d47t15.pdf


Now we could have a problem with the fact that these may be two different fan companies with almost the same name.
by ferdb
Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:44 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

The Papst 4212L (120x38mm) that I got recently is not a quiet fan. It has significant bearing and motor noise and is worse than both the Panaflo and Sunon 120x38mm fans....Globe makes a 120x38mm fan... You got the model numbers for those Sunon and Globe axials? I'll add them to the list. _________ ...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:36 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

Ok Finally got some of the Globe 120x38 fans in. Part number is D47-B15A-04T2-100. Preliminary impressions however are that they are not much better than the rest of the 120x38 fans. I also got some of the old model blue label panaflos in. They seem better than the new Panaflos but they still don't ...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:30 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Different fan controls (was: Panaflo -- at last!)
Replies: 21
Views: 6960

Fanmates are just a transistor hooked up as an emitter follower with a pot connected to the base of the transistor to vary the output voltage. They are pure DC output, the drawback is a limited power rating because they get hot. Nope, they're based on a regulator circuit, like this . Cheers, Jan Yo...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:51 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: FanMate (intermittent fault)
Replies: 4
Views: 1807

Fanmate 1's look deceptively sealed up, however they pry open very easily. You can even do it with your fingernails. Pull down on the bit of plastic below the connector next to the knob. The other site to pull down is the plastic just under the cable on the other end. Up being with the knob facing u...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:41 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Is it safe to run 2 Globe 120 mm fans with 7V adapter?
Replies: 16
Views: 5596

shouldn't be any problem running both fans on that connector. Your statement about the parallel configuration is correct. If you use a single resistor to drop the voltage and connect both fans after the resistor the fans may not start up at the lowest voltages or run at as low a voltage as if each f...
by ferdb
Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:08 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: The Top SPCR Quiet 120mm Axial Fans Compared + 120mmAC Fans.
Replies: 197
Views: 542697

The Papst 4212L (120x38mm) that I got recently is not a quiet fan. It has significant bearing and motor noise and is worse than both the Panaflo and Sunon 120x38mm fans. I found the Sunons to have the least motor noise (they are 6 pole motors vs most 4 pole motors) but considerable bearing noise. Th...
by ferdb
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:40 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Finding the perfect 120mm fan is so, so hard.
Replies: 20
Views: 11474

The Nexus fans I have also have both 3 and 4 pin connectors on them. I'd have to agree that the Nexus and Globe fans are the best I've found so far for undervolted 120mm fans, but they are only 25mm thick and do not flow air that well against backpressure such as that from a radiator. They are quiet...
by ferdb
Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:00 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Are there any quiet 120mm x 38mm fans?
Replies: 13
Views: 7818

Have you tried the OEM "Blue Label" Panaflos that Ralf used in his BQE? They're very nice and don't click/buzz/whine when undervolted. Of course they can't be run quietly at 12v though. Where do you get the Blue label Panaflos? I'm willing to try anything. After dissecting several 120x38mm fans I'v...
by ferdb
Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:25 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Are there any quiet 120mm x 38mm fans?
Replies: 13
Views: 7818

Of the Sunon, Papst, and Panaflo the Sunon has the lowest motor impulse noise, probably because it's a 6 pole motor instead of 4. The Papst has the most bearing noise, followed closely by the Sunon, scrape...scrape. The Panaflo is by far the quietest on bearing noise, soon as you remove power from a...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:56 pm
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Are there any quiet 120mm x 38mm fans?
Replies: 13
Views: 7818

Well I've started to dissect some fans to see if I can't modify the electronics to smooth out the switching pulses which seem to cause the 'diesel engine idling' noise out of these panaflo, papst and sunon fans. Maybe I can come up with something, I don't think I'm going to find an off the shelf 120...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:15 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Are there any quiet 120mm x 38mm fans?
Replies: 13
Views: 7818

Are there any quiet 120mm x 38mm fans?

I've been looking for 120mm x 38mm fan that's quiet when undervolted for a water cooled system. I have had no luck in finding a decent quiet fan of that size. I tried Panaflo FBA12G12L1A's, Papst 4212L and Sunon KED1212PMB3-6A. They all have a lot of motor and friction noise, the Papst is probably t...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:40 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Where have all the good fans gone?
Replies: 7
Views: 4309

I am also having trouble finding quiet 120mm fans. I got some 120mm x 38mm panaflo L1As, but they are not quiet when undervolted, the motor makes a chugging noise sort of like a diesel engine idling. I then shelled out for some Papst 4212Ls. They also have a lot of motor noise and vibration. Even my...
by ferdb
Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:21 am
Forum: Fans and Control
Topic: Different fan controls (was: Panaflo -- at last!)
Replies: 21
Views: 6960

My 80mm Panaflo L1A's run down to about 300rpm, although not with the T-balancer. The T-balancer PWM seems to cause a lot of problems with fans at low speeds including adding noise. I find it essential to HEAVILY filter the T-balancer outputs. Try putting something like a 47 ohm resistor in series w...
by ferdb
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:23 pm
Forum: Power Supplies
Topic: Tagan PSUs - DO NOT BUY!!
Replies: 21
Views: 16496

I've also been lucky with my Tagan 480W on my A64 machine. No problems and the unit is exceptionally quiet, you either have to see the fan spinning or put your ear to case to know it's on. The warranty sticker is also cut on my unit. I never checked to see if the unit has PFC in it but lack of PFC i...