Graphical Production Comparison - SPCR vs MacOSX

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:47 pm

Thank You!

Is it "official"? EOC is updating, so I will know in 30 minutes.

Archnid has had me with over 1K points in 24 hour periods, but I have never had 1K in the period from midnight to midnight.

There is no way I will stay ahead of wgragg. He is consistantly outproducing me by 2K points per week, and there isn't a darn thing I can do about it. Not that I won't try, and every little bit I can s-q-u-e-e-z-e out of my systems, means I stay ahead of him for just that much longer, but I just don't have 2K per week up my sleeve (i.e. on order from NewEgg).

According to Archnid, we gained another 2K points on Team MacOS X today. They say we fell a bit short of 22K, but not by much - 21,428. That's a lotta points boys and girls. I haven't been folding that long, and even I can remember when we weren't consistantly above 10K PPD!

Congratulations to every member of SPCR's Folding@Home team!

David

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:07 am

haysdb wrote:I predict ARM's first 3K point DAY!

CLOSE, oh so very close. 71 WU for 2895.70 points

TRC-13 is on a pace for fantastic day.

Yes indeed, a heck of a day. 55 WU for 1833 points.

I could post my first ever 1K day!

I did it. 1056.20 points, 12.50 points more than wgragg! Kinda puts it in perspective, you know? I have the biggest day of my life and I beat wgragg by 12 points.

But do you know how I REALLY feel?

Because he folds for SPCR!

David

Sorry to focus just on a couple of heavy hitters - I am looking through the list to find examples of other individuals with personal bests or outstanding days. There has to be quite a few for the team total to be so big.

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:16 am

dasman had his second highest daily total ever.

captain_android hit a new personal high yesterday.

mobquet has his second best day ever.

What's surprising is that there aren't more. This tells me that today was NOT an "alignment of the planets" kind of day, and that 20K PPD genuinely could become a "normal" day for SPCR, or at least not an unusual day, and that we could pretty regularly be ORANGE. Ya gotta love it.

David

Wrah · Post by **Wrah** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:02 am

haysdb wrote:I am looking through the list to find examples of other individuals with personal bests or outstanding days.

You failed to notice that today I broke my personal record of 31,868 points by reaching the 31,868.60 points mark.

I'm aiming to better myself tomorrow.

sthayashi · Post by **sthayashi** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:44 am

haysdb wrote:What's surprising is that there aren't more. This tells me that today was NOT an "alignment of the planets" kind of day, and that 20K PPD genuinely could become a "normal" day for SPCR, or at least not an unusual day, and that we could pretty regularly be ORANGE. Ya gotta love it.

My days are getting better. I've fixed a problem I was having with slightly slower processors, and I think the increase is reflected. Also, my dual PIII/550 is just about done from the tinkers I started last week, and one proc just picked up a Gromacs (and I suspect that the other one will too).
Let's kick some Mac ass.

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:29 am

Wrah wrote:
haysdb wrote:I am looking through the list to find examples of other individuals with personal bests or outstanding days.
You failed to notice that today I broke my personal record of 31,868 points by reaching the 31,868.60 points mark.

I'm aiming to better myself tomorrow.

Now there's a man with a positive attitude. "I set a new personal best every day."

Can't argue with that logic!

David

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:17 am

We trail Team MacOS X by just 2,220 points. The lines will cross sometime this weekend if current trends continue.

An odd/interesting statistic is the "WUs Total" column, where we "trail" MacOS X by a ratio of just over 2:1, 164.8K to 82.3K.

As with WU's, they also out-recruit us 2:1, with 18 new members in the last 7 days to our 9.

There is no significance to either of these statistics, just me "noodling numbers" as Stevo calls it.

David

Wrah · Post by **Wrah** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:24 am

Prediction on Arachnids based on daily production:

Score Diff : 2,016
Daily Gain : 3,204
Overtake Date : 2004-02-27 16:00:00

That's today.

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:22 am

Wrah wrote:Prediction on Arachnids based on daily production:

Score Diff : 2,016
Daily Gain : 3,204
Overtake Date : 2004-02-27 16:00:00

That's today.

The score difference is already down to 1500 points at Arachnid. EOC is updating.

I don't want to be accused of "talking trash," but I think that's a realistic number. There is nothing in their or our numbers that would lead me to think any dramatic reversal is going to happen in the next 24 hours.

David

Stevo@ARM · Post by **Stevo@ARM** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:32 am

haysdb wrote:
Wrah wrote:Prediction on Arachnids based on daily production:

Score Diff : 2,016
Daily Gain : 3,204
Overtake Date : 2004-02-27 16:00:00

That's today.
The score difference is already down to 1500 points at Arachnid. EOC is updating.

I don't want to be accused of "talking trash," but I think that's a realistic number. There is nothing in their or our numbers that would lead me to think any dramatic reversal is going to happen in the next 24 hours.

David

Team SPCR

...'nuff said ...

STEVO

mormakil · Post by **mormakil** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:05 am

According to Dyyryath's (13:00 GMT-5) we are only 500 points behind. We outproduced them by 800 points in last update!!. It's not mad to say that we will be ahead of them when the stats updates again in 3 hours.

I'm even tempted to be the first to say (even before it happens):

Well Done all SPCR's members

ColdFlame · Post by **ColdFlame** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:30 pm

We just passed them.

25 31574 SilentPCReview Folding@Home 2808512 82789
26 1971 Team MacOS X 2808423.9 165208

GJ everybody!

monkiman · Post by **monkiman** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:55 pm

YEAH!

Fold on you crazy diamonds!

I finally got rid of another tinker and am back in the green

todd

NoahJ · Post by **NoahJ** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:54 pm

25 1971 Team MacOS X 2811168.5 165280
26 31574 SilentPCReview Folding@Home 2810938.2 82858

ColdFlame · Post by **ColdFlame** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:57 am

Yea yea but our weekly average is 2k more and it will show up soon

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:27 am

ColdFlame wrote:Yea yea but our weekly average is 2k more and it will show up soon

Actually it's our daily avarage that's 2K more. Just over 14K for the last 7 days.

David

ColdFlame · Post by **ColdFlame** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:29 am

This is becoming interesting. GJ Mac folks!

25 1971 Team MacOS X 2819725.2 165510
26 31574 SilentPCReview Folding@Home 2818809.8 83080

saladshooter! · Post by **saladshooter!** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:47 am

OOh what a tight race...

24 - Team AnandTech - 2824204.5 - 131554
25 - Team MacOS X - 2821649.5 - 165562
26 - SilentPCReview Folding@Home - 2820597.7 - 83136

I say first team to overtake Anandtech is the winner! Loser team must buy winning team a round of virtual beers.

Stevo@ARM · Post by **Stevo@ARM** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:29 am

MacOS X, step into the Panaflo fan modified Martian 238 Modulator Now!

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:37 am

The RACE is to see who can pass AnandTech first!

David

peteamer · Post by **peteamer** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:20 am

Don't know about winning the race... other than it'll be us

But I reckon Stevo should get the prize for most methods of contact

Though he seems not to have Telex

Pete

Mustang Mac · Post by **Mustang Mac** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:26 am

So what does a virtual beer taste like? I've brewed my own ales, lagers, pilsners, dunkels, and stouts. But I don't believe I've ever had a virtual beer. It will probably be similar to the sweet taste of victory!

Starting to get a tingling in my taste buds already!

24 198 Team AnandTech 2826574.6 131619
25 1971 Team MacOS X 2826369.1 165698
26 31574 SilentPCReview Folding@Home 2825372.5 83287

We are only 205 points away. Heck, I produce nearly that amount in an hour! YEEEEEHAAAAA!

Mustang Mac · Post by **Mustang Mac** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:16 am

Belly up to the bar ladies and gents! Team SPCR is buying a round! Sweet taste indeed! Nectar of the gods! A drink to be savored and enjoyed! MMMMMMMMM, virtual beer!

24 1971 Team MacOS X 2827099 165719
25 198 Team AnandTech 2826727.5 131624
26 31574 SilentPCReview Folding@Home 2826312.8 83314

CoolGav · Post by **CoolGav** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:33 am

Yet on both Extreeme O/C and Dyyryath's MacOSX is still behind Anandtech.

Looks like those Mac boys are going to pip us, but they can't stay ahead for long now we have the ARM guys folding at SPCR...

At least the SPCR dog can hear the radio

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:42 pm

Yes indeed, there is more to the Mac boys and girls than meets the eye. A resiliant bunch they are. Just when you think you have them beaten, they pull a rabbit out of their hat - in this case 22199 points in the last 24 hours.

We have both passed AnandTech, but alas, they did win that heat.

David

NoahJ · Post by **NoahJ** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:59 pm

And we plan on keeping it interesting for as long as we possibly can. It begins with a small battle, and then it escalates. Here's to the chase, hope you all don't get too tired back there. :p

haysdb · Post by **haysdb** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:19 pm

NoahJ, "tired" is the one thing you don't need to worry about.

David

Stevo@ARM · Post by **Stevo@ARM** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:25 pm

Mustang Mac wrote:Belly up to the bar ladies and gents! Team SPCR is buying a round! Sweet taste indeed! Nectar of the gods! A drink to be savored and enjoyed! MMMMMMMMM, virtual beer!
24 1971 Team MacOS X 2827099 165719
25 198 Team AnandTech 2826727.5 131624
26 31574 SilentPCReview Folding@Home 2826312.8 83314

MustangMac, as the lead dog for team MacOS X, you better check again ...

Stanford Stats Last updated: Tue Mar 2 22:07:36 PST 2004 wrote:24 31574 SilentPCReview Folding@Home 2904988.2
25 1971 Team MacOS X 2896600.4

Aaawww.. and you got your hair done for the celebration party too....

Mustang Mac · Post by **Mustang Mac** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:59 am

MustangMac, as the lead dog for team MacOS X, you better check again ...

Why yes. Team (A)RM (S)tealth (S)ystems is ahead of Team MacOS X. But the gauntlet was to pass Team AnandTech first. Which we most handily did. Yes I am the lead dog for our TEAM. Me and me alone. My OWN systems. MY own time. How about ARM? Let me see. How many people do you have on staff to run folding on machines that are being built for CUSTOMERS? Is that in the online purchase agreement? I know of you and Roy, most likely several others. What a shame that one man can outproduce your entire borged operation. And why is Team ARM (ooops Team SPCR) ahead of us? You talk about loyalty and how you outproduce our team with half as many members. Well here it is PLAIN and SIMPLE from some of the folks at the Folding Community site. If Mr. Hays would take the time to read other relevant posts instead of making pointless ones, maybe he would learn something.

If we had a Mac Tinker core that were well optimized, it would run the WU 3X faster on G3s than the current core, and I wouldn't mind running Tinkers on the Macs.

The slowest Mac that can run F@H is 233 MHz, and that should make most deadlines in Gromacs and all deadlines in Tinkers. There are 2 deadlines for the Gromacs units: One is shorter than the "drop dead" deadline, usually 1/3 to 1/2 the time, and it can be set by the investigator. All the G3s could meet the "Drop dead" deadline but the 400s were hard-pressed to meet many of the reissue deadlines set by Eric Sorin on his 3xx series Gromacs units. Even when the 400s could make it, it was clear from my graphs that the 233s or 266s or 333s or 350s would have problems and some wouldn't make the cut even at 24/7. That's no longer true, though the 233s will be close.

With Tinkers, the reissue and credit deadlines have always been the same.
But my iMac 400 would take 16-20 days to complete a 65-70 point Tinker, while it now takes 5-6 days to complete a 51 point Gromacs. So I can now do over 155 point's worth of Gromacs on a G3 in the same time it takes to do 60-70 points worth of Tinkers.

To get a visual of what I'm talking about, see the curve here:
http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=6121

The blue curve is the frame time vs frame number for a p724 Gromacs on a Celeron 500 (Bruce's). The red curve is for a 600 MHz G3. The first 4 frames were run under v1.48; the remaining frames were under core v.1.53. For this particular example, the frame time went from about 152 minutes to 66 minutes, by changing cores. The delta on the G4s has been even more pronounced.

I don't think any Mac user wants to see Tinkers until such time as there is a compiler that can optimize the code in a fashion that GCC 3.3 improved the code for the G3s running Gromacs.

I'm glad to see science benefitting. But, as for the competition, well our team is a group of INDIVIDUALS banded together. Yours? Half individual, and half VENDOR. With some of those individual efforts slightly tainted. So really we can't compare Apples to oranges. Pretty simplified. Fold on!

Zyzzyx · Post by **Zyzzyx** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:35 am

Give it a %^#%(!-ing break already folks.

I know of what we're doing is good for the science, no matter what team or platform it is done on... But, you're sure making me contemplate walking away from Folding and putting some of my time and money to other things.

You may be having fun with your jabs back and forth, but its starting to look rather childish from where I stand. And that's not something I expected to see, from either side.

If you'll excuse me now, I'm going to go Fold in silence. Something I would recommend a few other folks contemplate.