ATI 4830... anyone silence the sucker yet?

~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:11 pm

Hey. this looks like the gamers version of the 4670 for those that have 1920x1200 resolution.

but, I dont trust anyone besides people on here. I am upgrading from a 3870. the 3870 cant play age of conan on xp. Also, the 4830 looks like it is a strong performer for a cheapish price.

mkk · Post by **mkk** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:52 pm

A fanless Accelero S1 will do fine. If you want to have a go at overclocking the hell out of it then an Accelero Twin Turbo at its slow setting will be even better and remain fairly noise free. Or strap any fan you might already have onto an S1 if you have a lot of slot space to spare.

Lawrence Lee · Post by **Lawrence Lee** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:04 am

~El~Jefe~ wrote:Hey. this looks like the gamers version of the 4670 for those that have 1920x1200 resolution.

I wouldn't game at that resolution with anything less than a 4870 1GB. Or maybe a 4870x2.

Post by **CA_Steve** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:47 am

Yeah - it looks like Age of Conan at 19x12 requires more horsepower than a 4830.

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~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:57 pm

Lawrence Lee wrote:
~El~Jefe~ wrote:Hey. this looks like the gamers version of the 4670 for those that have 1920x1200 resolution.
I wouldn't game at that resolution with anything less than a 4870 1GB. Or maybe a 4870x2.

i game with a 3870 at that resolution

I do not use vista and will never use that hunk of crap.

dx9 you dont have the crud dumping effect of dx10, most of these reviews are terrible. like in general.

uber kiddie 30030x watt haX0rZ? ftw?

eh.

Aris · Post by **Aris** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:07 pm

i think the 4850 or the 9800gt are the best gamming cards that can still be passively cooled at the moment. You can get stock passive versions of both with 1gb of memory.

~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:14 pm

I hear a massive flaw in the chip doesnt allow the 4850 to clock down and therefore uses 2x as much idlling power as it could

Eyeless Blond · Post by **Eyeless Blond** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:21 am

~El~Jefe~ wrote:I hear a massive flaw in the chip doesnt allow the 4850 to clock down and therefore uses 2x as much idlling power as it could

Pretty sure you heard wrong: the Powercolor in particular has a fairly aggressive underclock at idle.

So, where's a good place to get these aftermarket coolers that seem to be all the rage around here? There's a huge sale on for the Powercolor 4830 at Newegg; I might break down and buy it, even though I had been hoping for a model with two DVI outs, for future dual monitor use, and frankly I'm not sure I even need the extra processing power. I'm still worried about noise (55 db? That may well be unacceptable), though. How do you silence something like this on the cheap?

Eyeless Blond · Post by **Eyeless Blond** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:06 am

Mmph, and now Sapphire's version is within spitting distance--a mere $5 difference.

Head-to-head comparison

Which means we have:

Powercolor
-HDMI included (for HDTVs)
-better noise at idle
-Better GPU overclocking potential (in Win at least; no idea for Linux)
-variable stock fan speed

Sapphire
-Two DVIs (for multi monitor)
-Better noise at load, when you're actually using it.
-Better memory overclocking potential (reportedly)
-More efficient stock cooler

Both to be had for uncer $90, after rebate (or closer to $100 for me, as I live in CA and have to pay tax). The Sapphire is more expensive, but costs less up-front (Powercolor is offering $15 more in rebates).

So, what's the opinion from you all? Can these cards be made silent, or is 55 db impossible to quiet down?

fabre · Post by **fabre** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:41 pm

I bought a Powercolor 4830, it's actually pretty noisy at idle.

fabre · Post by **fabre** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:05 pm

Riffer · Post by **Riffer** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:22 am

I noticed that HIS is coming/has come out with a 4830 with the ICEQ 4 thing. I haven't found a retailer in Canada that carries it yet though.

fabre · Post by **fabre** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:26 pm

Riffer wrote:I noticed that HIS is coming/has come out with a 4830 with the ICEQ 4 thing. I haven't found a retailer in Canada that carries it yet though.

It's available at newegg.ca

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6814161267

Riffer · Post by **Riffer** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:41 pm

fabre wrote:
Riffer wrote:I noticed that HIS is coming/has come out with a 4830 with the ICEQ 4 thing. I haven't found a retailer in Canada that carries it yet though.
It's available at newegg.ca

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6814161267

Lol! I checked Newegg a few minutes later and saw it. I was wondering if someone would post that.

I am waiting until the dust clears from Newegg.ca screwing up my Paypal 15% cash back before I order anything more from them.

~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:55 pm

Eyeless Blond wrote:
~El~Jefe~ wrote:I hear a massive flaw in the chip doesnt allow the 4850 to clock down and therefore uses 2x as much idlling power as it could
Pretty sure you heard wrong: the Powercolor in particular has a fairly aggressive underclock at idle.

So, where's a good place to get these aftermarket coolers that seem to be all the rage around here? There's a huge sale on for the Powercolor 4830 at Newegg; I might break down and buy it, even though I had been hoping for a model with two DVI outs, for future dual monitor use, and frankly I'm not sure I even need the extra processing power. I'm still worried about noise (55 db? That may well be unacceptable), though. How do you silence something like this on the cheap?

"Power Consumption: By our estimates, the HD 4830 requires approximately 18W when idle and up to 87W when stressed to the limit --- this is a vast improvement over the HD 4850 due to its broken power management (50W idle). "

That's what Mike Chin said ... so uhh... yeah thanks for playing ggthx etc.

Yes, I am trying to figure out if it's a good idea or not. Tricky!

maf718 · Post by **maf718** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:55 pm

If you are particularly concerned with idle power consumption I would not risk a 4830. The reference card reviewed by SPCR and other sites is not available to buy afaik. All the versions I have seen in retail have a reduced component count to help save a few cents, in what is essentially a budget version of the 4850, and probably the first thing to get left out is the ability to undervolt at idle. (It's not something the average user will check or even be aware of).

There are a number of reviews on the net that compared the reference to retail versions of this card and in all cases that I saw the reference card had lower idle power consumption. Also I have never seen any posts by a 4830 owner with a Kill-a-watt claiming that their system is low-power at idle.

(I am willing to be proved wrong on this if anyone has evidence to the contrary)

I am not criticizing any aspect of the 4830 apart from its power consumption because it is, by all accounts, an excellent gaming card at its price point. If you are not particularly concerned with idle power consumption don't let me put you off, but if you are be aware that the cards you can actually buy will not idle as low as the reference version, and with some brands not much different to the 4850.

~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:24 am

eh

I duno.

I will have to look into this.

I don't trust the English anyways.

maf718 · Post by **maf718** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:51 am

lol, I should have included some references.

Idle power consumption of Powercolor vs AMD http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/HD_4830/23.html

Article showing the missing components from the power circuitry of HIS board vs AMD reference design http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/1 ... 30-512mb/2

The 4830 is a good card and when it was released I wanted to buy one. My computer spends at least 95% of its life in 2D mode though, and I didn't want to waste that much electricity at idle.

Schlotkins · Post by **Schlotkins** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:33 pm

Argh - this card is perfect for me if I knew which card doesn't have the idle problem. I was debating between the 4670 and the 4850 but I didn't want to eat all of the 4850's power consumption.

Is there any hope for this or is this a lost cause? Any hope on putting on a fanless cooler?

Thanks,
Chris

~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:08 am

There is one card that has a very low power usage compared to REFERENCE. it is MSI's 4830 OC with 4 n 1 phase power thingie.

it seems perfect. 10 bux more gets the 1 gig version. might be useless might not be, shrugs 10 bux for a gig is good deal.

fabre · Post by **fabre** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:12 pm

loimlo · Post by **loimlo** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:17 am

Hello, everyone. I am sorry that I've to hijack this thread to ask a stupid question

There're three 4830s within my younger brother's tight target, I mean budget
HIS 4830
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814161260

Powercolor 4830
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814131129

MSI 4830
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814127394

Would you mind telling me which one is quieter out-of-box? Thanks for your help in advance!

angelkiller · Post by **angelkiller** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:52 am

I think none of the fans will be quiet. I have the PowerColor version and I don't think its too quiet. It's not terrible at stock settings, but if you have a really quiet system (ie near silent) the card will be loud. For an average user though, it might be ok. I'd recommend putting an S1 and a quiet fan on it. (I couldn't run mine passively)

SpeedEuphoria · Post by **SpeedEuphoria** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:31 pm

Artic Cooling S1 rev 2 should be able to run passive on the 4830(680/1050 stock speeds). I have an Asus TOP 4850, it was running hot. I had 2 fans running slow and the 4850 set on 100% fan at all times(since its quiet), temps were 46.5C and 54C memory at idle and would get to almost 70C at load mem getting almost 80c.

I just installed my Accelero today and have no fans running except for the cpu fan running 10% as it wont let me shut it off. Anyway temps are now 44C/51.5C idle and 64C/77C load, again this is with no fans running compared to having 2 slow speed fans in the above. Just another note, my case is BTX so the video card is above the cpu. With my fans on its 50c/60c while gaming.

Also most of the power saving on these cards, well at least the 4870's and 4850's come from downclocking the memory. Lowering core voltages or core clock speed is worth ~1w in power savings from mine and anothers findings. I used ATT(ati tray tool) to knock my idle power consumption down 15w now idling at 360/600(low as the mem on mine can go) @ .892v, that was with the 100% fan speed stock fan.

I saw that the reference 4830 settings are supposed to be 160 core and 250 mem, if they can get DDR3 mem to go that low then it should save more power. I lowered my clock speed to 160 and didnt affect my power consumption at all, well maybe 1w.

loimlo · Post by **loimlo** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:31 pm

Thanks, everyone. We're too cheap to buy a third-party cooler.

I might give MSI a try as one of SPCR user have expressed his opinion in newegg user reviews.

Edit: I got a Powercolor 4670 for my brother, thanks everyone!

angelkiller · Post by **angelkiller** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:47 am

Is anyone running their 4830 passively? I couldn't get mine to stay cool enough. (With AC S1) Mine idles at ~54C and I stopped Furmark when it hit 96C. This might still be in thermal limits, but it's wayyy too hot for me.

fabre · Post by **fabre** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:03 pm

ATI 4830... anyone silence the sucker yet?

ATI 4830... anyone silence the sucker yet?

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