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Full HD LCD (1080p)

Post by Lt_Dan » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:46 am

hey,
i thought of getting a new lcd (i currently have a 17" LG) i want it to be able to show full hd movies: 1920X1080.
what can you recommend?
it should be max' 22".
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Post by lodestar » Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:53 pm

There are plenty of 22 inch monitors which will display 1080p. If you're looking for a specific recommendation, then you could maybe look at the Viewsonic VX2260wm.

Alternatively you could use the HDMI input of a flat panel TV. This will require (in most cases) a DVI-HDMI cable or adapter.

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Post by Lt_Dan » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:06 pm

thanks.
i checked out the Viewsonic VX2260wm, it looks nice.

do you know of any review site for monitors? i didn't like cnet, although they recommend Dell most of the time.
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Post by aristide1 » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:43 pm

My research has been disappointing to say the least. Virtually every monitor under $400 is TN-based. Even worse to get true color (what they claim they can do) requires red, green, blue of a full 8 bits. None of these monitors are 8 bit, they are all 6 bit. The color claim is a bold lie. Wide gamut monitors are big bucks.

Buy the cheapest one you like.
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Post by Tephras » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:49 pm

Lt_Dan wrote:thanks.
i checked out the Viewsonic VX2260wm, it looks nice.

do you know of any review site for monitors? i didn't like cnet, although they recommend Dell most of the time.
Here is some sites with good monitor reviews: Prad, TFT Central, X-Bit Labs.

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Post by robbie13 » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:28 pm

dell 2209wa

edit: hm, not really full hd, sry
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Post by aristide1 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:13 am

robbie13 wrote:dell 2209wa

edit: hm, not really full hd, sry
That's OK.

They were on the Dell website yesterday and at good price. They're gone today. Not OK.
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Post by blackworx » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:02 am

If you have money to spend, the Eizo S2242 looks tasty. 22" 1900x1200 PVA.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monito ... w-review/1

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Post by Mr Evil » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:35 am

lodestar wrote:...Alternatively you could use the HDMI input of a flat panel TV. This will require (in most cases) a DVI-HDMI cable or adapter.
If you do that, you need to make sure that the TV supports displaying without overscan. Many TVs assume that the input on the HDMI connector has a black border, and so they "helpfully" stretch the image with no way of changing that behaviour.

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Post by Lt_Dan » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:38 am

hey,
a lot of feedback!

Eizo S2242 - are you insane? it's 900$!
but nice of you to suggest.

the viewsonic is nice. it got high marks but when you check the details - it gets 7\10 for picture quality.

btw - what's this TN i hear about? that the viewsonic doesn't have?
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Post by Mr Evil » Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:20 am

Lt_Dan wrote:...btw - what's this TN i hear about? that the viewsonic doesn't have?
It's one of the many types of LCD. TN is the cheapest and has good response time. It's fine for gaming or if you only want something cheap, but it has the poorest colour reproduction and narrow viewing angle.

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Post by robokopp » Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:40 pm

Consider the BenQ T2200HD. I bought one earlier this year for the same reason you stated (movies). Also, it has a screen format of 16:9. The usual for computer monitors is 16:10.

Your video card will make the all difference. (I am using an ATI Radeon 2600 Pro at the moment, and am happy with the results).


Here is a review at Whirlpool forums. The reviewer purchased 40 units for his game centre:-http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... 67469.html

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Post by blackworx » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:12 pm

Lt_Dan wrote:Eizo S2242 - are you insane? it's 900$!
but nice of you to suggest.
LOL I know, but if you consider there's a good chance your monitor will outlive more than one PC, and it's the peripheral you spend the most time interacting with it starts to seem a whole lot more sane. Well, sort of :lol: yes, $900 is silly money for a bit of HD viewing!

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Post by aristide1 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:56 pm

Tephras wrote: Here is some sites with good monitor reviews: Prad, TFT Central, X-Bit Labs.
Prada - New permanent bookmark. Nice reviews. Thanks.
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Post by danimal » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:57 pm

there are more 1920x1200 monitors than there are 1920x1080.

i went with the 1920x1080 because i can plug a video camera into it, and it displays native 1920x1080.

at this point in time, unless you are a videophile, i would just get a cheap tn lcd... dell has some pretty good ones, and they are on sale with coupons and such, if you watch fatwallet.com and the other deal sites.

the object is to spend $200 for a 24" tn on sale, then wait a year or so for the technology vs. price ratio to catch up on the better lcd screens... even the led-backlit tn panels that i have seen were just not that impressive.

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Post by aristide1 » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:06 pm

Such a pity that Dell 2009WA went away. Now you need like twice as much money to get a non-TN monitor. Dell literally had a corner on the below $350 non-TN monitor category. The next model they have is in the $400 range. Uh, at that point I have several options.

And if there weren't enough variations; the Samsung T240 no, the 240T yes. :shock:
the object is to spend $200 for a 24" tn on sale, then wait a year or so for the technology vs. price ratio to catch up on the better lcd screens... even the led-backlit tn panels that i have seen were just not that impressive.
NewEgg had a 24" Asus for $165 delivered but its the "value" model, so the usual zero tolerance to dead/stuck pixels wasn't in play. :?

Added - Oh man, who wants a monitor with a dot pitch > .28mm :?:
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Post by blackworx » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:48 am

danimal wrote:there are more 1920x1200 monitors than there are 1920x1080
at the op's stated screen size of 22", and in consumer panels, 1050/80 is the norm. even the majority of 24" consumer panels are 1080. 1900x1200 is seen as more of a workstation resolution.

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Post by aristide1 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:21 pm

It! has returned.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod ... u=320-7825

Can anyone confirm, is this the model that was just $165 this past Sunday? I've read a lot people have purchased this unit for $212, so the current price kinda pees me off. The dot pitch is on the high side of acceptable.

The fact that it's not true 1080P doesn't matter to me, but might to video heads.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2 ... 209wa.html

I decided to read the user feedback on Dell from the worst to the best. There is surprising little bad reviews, a couple of videoheads didn't get the scaling they wanted. Zero complaints about build quality, being too bright, bad whites, lag or ghosting. The latest ultrasharps, the 24" is still having teething problems, especially with brightness.

They clearly ran out of stock when they pulled this off the website. Order now it will take a month to get it.
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Post by alphabetbackward » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:02 pm

Thanks to stormysky10 (slickd.)

NOTE: This is an IPS (not TN) panel! Better colors and much better viewing angles than TN monitors.

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Post by PartEleven » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:23 am

While definitely hot, you should note that it's technically e-IPS. Not S-IPS or H-IPS. It's supposed to be cheaper to manufacture, so that's why this LCD is offered at such a low price. As to exactly how e-IPS is different than other IPS technologies, I have absolutely no idea. I've tried to find out for the longest time and there's practically no information on this.

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Post by aristide1 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:26 pm

PartEleven wrote:While definitely hot, you should note that it's technically e-IPS. Not S-IPS or H-IPS. It's supposed to be cheaper to manufacture, so that's why this LCD is offered at such a low price. As to exactly how e-IPS is different than other IPS technologies, I have absolutely no idea. I've tried to find out for the longest time and there's practically no information on this.
While that's true it's only part of the equation. There are other Dell monitors that have other various non-TN technologies that don't do so well. Dell struct a balance here between price and performance. Another monitor that may perform slightly better at twice the money won't accomplish that.

We'll have to wait a little while to find out if Samsung's CPVA is anything to write home about. Some of Dell's SPVA panels look great as long as you keep your head in a vice (don't change the angle.)

And how do the other 10 parts feel about this issue? Just kidding. :wink:
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Post by audiojar » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:30 pm

The reality is that TN monitors are just fine for the majority of computer users. Viewing angle doesn't matter much when you are almost always just sitting in front of it at a desk (as opposed to a TV in a living room). Likewise, most people don't care (or notice) if their color level and accuracy is up to professional standards.

One should asses their situation and determine if these sorts of better specs will honesty affect one's viewing satisfaction in a manner that warrants the extra cost.

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Post by aristide1 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:50 pm

Exactly- The gamer needs speed and brightness. Color gamut means little. More than colors for most Windows apps. TN all the way.

The photographer gets an S-PVA panel. Color accuracy is everything, and can't be compromised at angles. Lag doesn't matter.
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Post by Greg F. » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:36 pm

robokopp wrote:Consider the BenQ T2200HD. I bought one earlier this year for the same reason you stated (movies). Also, it has a screen format of 16:9. The usual for computer monitors is 16:10.

Your video card will make the all difference. (I am using an ATI Radeon 2600 Pro at the moment, and am happy with the results).


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Post by lm » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:50 pm

Greg F. wrote:I have often wondered if there is a real image quality difference between Nvidia, Intel and ATI graphics. I only have two boards with integrated video and one 3450 ATI board. I think I see subtle differences, but it might be a matter of taste. Is the Intel HD4500 considered equal.
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Possible differences in image quality come from differences in the monitor and differences in image processing on the GPU side, but whether you have DVI-D, HDMI or DisplayPort does not make any difference to image quality because the transport is digital.

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Post by robbie13 » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:50 am

aristide1 wrote:They clearly ran out of stock when they pulled this off the website. Order now it will take a month to get it.
;)

I've paid 470$ for it and it's still a best buy 22" here because it's an IPS.

200$ is a bargain, go buy two.

Viewing angles ARE important, I hate it when I watch a movie, laid back in my chair, a little lower then the usual sitting position, and the TN's contrast goes bye bye...

So you get the colors and the angle, and it's good for gaming.

I've never heard someone actually experiencing problems because of screen lag or even noticing it, I've played a lot on a 19" TN, and now I play a lot on the Dell.
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Post by Entropy » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:12 pm

robbie13 wrote:I've never heard someone actually experiencing problems because of screen lag or even noticing it, I've played a lot on a 19" TN, and now I play a lot on the Dell.
Now you've heard one.
I hate bad control, and it is very very noticeable. Control is everything - imagine playing real life table tennis for instance, with input lag. :)

(Unless you play a game like, say, World of Warcraft where I could go away and fetch a cup of coffee in the middle of a fight without affecting the outcome. By design, some games simply aren't particularly demanding.)

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Post by robbie13 » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:30 pm

What monitor was it?

I've played Counter Strike for a couple of years and Enemy Territory for a year, on a CRT, I played several newer games on the Dell and haven't noticed a thing.

edit:

hm, well, here's the reason :)

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Post by robbie13 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:34 am

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Post by Lt_Dan » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:22 am

the Dell 2209WA isn't 1080p. it's 1680 X 1050.

(i currently have an LG L1750B, how does it compare by refresh rates and viewing angle - as a comparison?)
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