Any troubles with this one? (micro-ATX for video editing)

Ursa · Post by **Ursa** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:40 am

Hello!

Can you give some comments on the following (in Norwegian, but hopefully understandable):

Case: Antec Minuet (http://prisguide.hardware.no/product.ph ... ctId=43634)
Motherboard: Gigabyte 780G kort (http://prisguide.hardware.no/product.ph ... iew=prices)
CPU: Phenom 9750 (http://prisguide.hardware.no/product.ph ... t_id=92655)
Cooler: Zalman m/PWM (http://www.microplex.no/product.aspx?pi ... &mcat=c572)
RAM: OCZ 8GB (http://prisguide.hardware.no/product.ph ... ctId=71116)
Controllers: Microsoft Wireless 7K (http://prisguide.hardware.no/product.ph ... roductinfo)
WLAN: Intel mini-PCI kort (http://prisguide.hardware.no/product.ph ... ctId=60542)
HDD: use an old, good one for cash saving
OS: Windows Vista x64 Ultimate

As mentioned in topic this will primarily be a video editing HTPC (please don't laugh!

) I use mainly Adobe Master collection for all my professional stuff, and needs this to be one compact performance workhorse. Additionally I'd like to be able to work with sound on this (specifically with Cakewalk Sonar and the SPS 25). Tertiary needs are gaming, surfing and entertainment in general.

All comments are welcome! Thanks in advance!

fwki · Post by **fwki** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:19 am

Your MB kicked butt in low power consumption in this review http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sh ... i=3288&p=1.

Cistron · Post by **Cistron** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:37 am

The Phenom would fry it in less than a second, though. Not advisable using any 90W+ TDP processors on the 780G.

fwki · Post by **fwki** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:00 pm

Cistron wrote:The Phenom would fry it in less than a second, though. Not advisable using any 90W+ TDP processors on the 780G.

Good catch, see this: viewtopic.php?t=47470&highlight=anandtech

Ursa · Post by **Ursa** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:27 pm

Now I've updated the CPU to a Phenom 9750, which is supposed to draw "only" approximately 95W instead of 125W.

Is this a functional solution, or do I still risk frying my MB?

Thanks so much for your input!

Nighthog · Post by **Nighthog** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:29 am

I have something similiar in mind myself, well components anyway.

The Gigabyte 780G motherboard whit Phenom 9750.

The motherboard CPU-support list
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Moth ... uctID=2758

It supports the 9750 whit bios F3

I choose some other ram for myself though.

Corsair TWIN2X 6400C4DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit w/two CL4 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX (4.4.4.12 @ 2.1v, 800Mhz)
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=346193

I'll be getting 4Gb only at first might upgrade to 8Gb later if I see there is a need for it.

What I myself have planned is a compact semi-performance computer that doesn't cost too much. Will be programming, watching 1080p content, playing games and generall work. The programming will be at a bit of everything but more orientation for game programming. I didn't have all to much money at moment so I'll be getting the case and better graphics card later. Been eyeing some m-ATX htpc/desktop case. So when this compute later gets old(2-3 years maybe?) and when I buy new computer I can put this computer as my media computer or HTPC. I recon there won't come about anything better than 1080p anytime soon and this setup should handle any 1080p content out there now.

Ursa · Post by **Ursa** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:40 am

Thanks for the CPU-support link.

However, I can't understand how the MB can support the 9750 w/125W when it can't support the 9850. Can anyone explain?

And how do you know whether you get the 95W or the 125W version of the 9750?

Now I'm also having doubts about the PSU (300W). If these figures are right: http://lly316.blogspot.com/2008/03/amd- ... part3.html (at the bottom of the page - the 9750 draws ~230W at full load).

Ugh.... Even when I've decided to help out AMD by buying their stuff, I am really tempted to go the other way due to all this constant questioning.

Thanks for all help though! I appreciate it

loimlo · Post by **loimlo** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:12 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power
Phenom 9850 draws 125W fully, but 9750 would draw a bit less power than 9850. Lower-end CPUs tend to draw less power even if they were the same TDP parts. For example, X2 4000+ and X2 5200+ were 65W TDP, but they were impossible to draw the same power from wall socket.

As for 230W question you asked, they were whole system power draw from wall socket rather than CPU itself, and they were AC draws. You need to take DC<->AC conversion efficiency into consideration.

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=427
It seems Gigabyte 780G could handle 9850 if you cool PWM enough. Btw, I've successfully running a 9750 Gigabyte 780G without a hitch in my friend's computer.

Why 780G & Phenom 9850 would cause problems ...... it's because most manufacturers regard 780G as a mid-end/low-end solution, and they think people wouldn't install 9850 on such a low-end mainboard. They will come up with 790G boards as highend boards in the near future.

Ursa · Post by **Ursa** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:43 am

Oh OK but that's glorious news.... Now for the real dilemma: buy immediately and get glorious PC or wait for an even more glorious PC? argh

Nighthog · Post by **Nighthog** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:50 pm

I've gotten my parts and installed them and did a reinstall off windows. Haven't had any problems yet! Works perfect.

But I gotta say the NB-heatsink gets HOT! I burn my fingers if I keep my finger on it more than a few seconds!