New DiamondMax 10!!
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New DiamondMax 10!!
NEWS from Maxtor's site:
Based on an integrated, single-chip native SATA solution, DiamondMax 10 drives feature native command queuing along with the company’s exclusive dual-processor technology and large buffers to deliver unparalleled speeds compared to traditional drives in their class. This unique set of features combined with Maxtor’s latest firmware technology, allows the drive to self-balance its workloads for a more efficient hard drive operation. With DiamondMax 10 hard drive-enabled systems, consumers can easily run multiple applications, such as games and music, at the same time without overwhelming the PC. Designed for multimedia PC users, graphic artists, system integrators and white box builders, the 7200 RPM DiamondMax 10 drives are offered in capacities of up to 300GB and are ideal for performance desktop computing storing high-resolution images, multimedia content, and personal and business information.
* Serial ATA/150 and Ultra ATA/133 interfaces
* Native command queuing for enhanced efficiency
* Quiet Drive Technology for acoustics-sensitive applications
* Whisper-quiet fluid dynamic bearing motors
* Maxtor Shock Protection and Data Protection Systems for greater reliability
Anybody has one?
Any feedback?
Based on an integrated, single-chip native SATA solution, DiamondMax 10 drives feature native command queuing along with the company’s exclusive dual-processor technology and large buffers to deliver unparalleled speeds compared to traditional drives in their class. This unique set of features combined with Maxtor’s latest firmware technology, allows the drive to self-balance its workloads for a more efficient hard drive operation. With DiamondMax 10 hard drive-enabled systems, consumers can easily run multiple applications, such as games and music, at the same time without overwhelming the PC. Designed for multimedia PC users, graphic artists, system integrators and white box builders, the 7200 RPM DiamondMax 10 drives are offered in capacities of up to 300GB and are ideal for performance desktop computing storing high-resolution images, multimedia content, and personal and business information.
* Serial ATA/150 and Ultra ATA/133 interfaces
* Native command queuing for enhanced efficiency
* Quiet Drive Technology for acoustics-sensitive applications
* Whisper-quiet fluid dynamic bearing motors
* Maxtor Shock Protection and Data Protection Systems for greater reliability
Anybody has one?
Any feedback?
Game PC "review":
http://shorl.com/fafebrabojufre
Some people are wondering if the Maxline III drives are in fact the same as DiamondMax 10 (just different firmware).
I guess we'll find out soon enough, as both drives start to hit shelves everywhere.
http://shorl.com/fafebrabojufre
Some people are wondering if the Maxline III drives are in fact the same as DiamondMax 10 (just different firmware).
I guess we'll find out soon enough, as both drives start to hit shelves everywhere.
THanks Halcyon. Great link!!
Summary taken from last page:
"Our benchmarks have shown that raw performance levels of the DiamondMax 10 are not up to par with Western Digital’s Raptor, but that’s not incredibly surprising considering the 33% difference in spindle speed. Still, the DiamondMax is without a doubt the fastest 7,200 RPM drive we’ve ever tested. While performance levels are slightly below the Raptor, DiamondMax 10 series drives still have some very important factors going for them, like current capacity levels up to 300GB (in comparison to the Raptor’s 74GB), and a price per gigabyte level well below Western Digital’s Raptor ($0.98 / GB to $3.30 /GB).
In addition, the slower 7,200 RPM spindle speed allows for very low noise levels for such a high performance disk. Surprisingly though, the DiamondMax 10 drives run very hot to the touch, even hotter than our 10,000 RPM Raptor drives. According to our S.M.A.R.T monitoring software, the DiamondMax drive was running at over 10C higher (54C to 43C) temperatures during our testing compared to the Raptor. While this surprised us at first, when you consider Western Digital is dealing with only two small platters compared to three large platters, it’s easy to see how thermals can be higher with the DiamondMax. In addition, the Raptor has integrated heatsink fins right on the drive, so that no doubt helps. We would recommend some sort of active cooling on these drives – even if it’s a low speed fan blowing at ~1000 RPM or so – just to keep airflow moving.
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I can not wait to hear what people's experiences are with this drive when is out...
Summary taken from last page:
"Our benchmarks have shown that raw performance levels of the DiamondMax 10 are not up to par with Western Digital’s Raptor, but that’s not incredibly surprising considering the 33% difference in spindle speed. Still, the DiamondMax is without a doubt the fastest 7,200 RPM drive we’ve ever tested. While performance levels are slightly below the Raptor, DiamondMax 10 series drives still have some very important factors going for them, like current capacity levels up to 300GB (in comparison to the Raptor’s 74GB), and a price per gigabyte level well below Western Digital’s Raptor ($0.98 / GB to $3.30 /GB).
In addition, the slower 7,200 RPM spindle speed allows for very low noise levels for such a high performance disk. Surprisingly though, the DiamondMax 10 drives run very hot to the touch, even hotter than our 10,000 RPM Raptor drives. According to our S.M.A.R.T monitoring software, the DiamondMax drive was running at over 10C higher (54C to 43C) temperatures during our testing compared to the Raptor. While this surprised us at first, when you consider Western Digital is dealing with only two small platters compared to three large platters, it’s easy to see how thermals can be higher with the DiamondMax. In addition, the Raptor has integrated heatsink fins right on the drive, so that no doubt helps. We would recommend some sort of active cooling on these drives – even if it’s a low speed fan blowing at ~1000 RPM or so – just to keep airflow moving.
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I can not wait to hear what people's experiences are with this drive when is out...
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I've got a 200GB version of one of these (8mb cache) and they do run hot, the smart monitoring is about 6C higher than my 200gb seagate 7200.7's but it feels much hotter to the touch.
they aren't that loud really, seek noises are very quiet when AAM is set to the quietest mode, but it does hum a bit while spinning
they aren't that loud really, seek noises are very quiet when AAM is set to the quietest mode, but it does hum a bit while spinning
I've got two 250 DM10's with the 16MB cache. They do not run hot at all (32c and 30c right now). The DM9's that they replaced ran much, much hotter and were a bit louder. I have them suspended but with AAM turned off; you can hear the seek noise, but I value the performance.
I wouldn't judge the DM10's with 16mb cache by any of the lower or older models..
I wouldn't judge the DM10's with 16mb cache by any of the lower or older models..
The integrated controllers do need to, and I'm 99% certain the Nforce4 does. However after reading a bit about the feature, using NCQ in a desktop environment is a waste as the reads done are usually quite sequential and do not need to be re-ordered. You'll benefit more from the 16mb cache than the NCQ.as530 wrote:does anybody know if nForce4 mobos support NCQ? does a mobo need to?
SATA 2 isn't worth worrying about for the desktop user I think at this point. My DM10 gets about 135 mb/s burst according to HDTach so it's below the limit of SATA 1.. no need for 300 mb/s channels with the current crop of drives.
I just picked up the 300 gb PATA version of this. Let me say this drive has no idle whine whatsoever. However, the seeks are a big loud but i can't really hear em with my case closed. These things are pretty fast. i installed windows in about 15 min.
Suprisingly, this drive runs cooler than the Seagate 7200.7 in my comp. right now its idling around 33 celcius
Suprisingly, this drive runs cooler than the Seagate 7200.7 in my comp. right now its idling around 33 celcius
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As said in my previous post, i have the 300 gig PATA DM Plus 10.sweatypickle wrote:vhx1 how does the idle noise of this drive compare with the Seagate 7200.7. Also just to be clear, it's the 250 gig version you have correct?vhx1 wrote:
Suprisingly, this drive runs cooler than the Seagate 7200.7 in my comp. right now its idling around 33 celcius
Both of my drives have no idle whine. however, the seeks on my maxtor are quite a bit louder.
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No idle whine.. just wondering what are yer other components like fanss, HSF, powersupply etcvhx1 wrote:As said in my previous post, i have the 300 gig PATA DM Plus 10.sweatypickle wrote:vhx1 how does the idle noise of this drive compare with the Seagate 7200.7. Also just to be clear, it's the 250 gig version you have correct?vhx1 wrote:
Suprisingly, this drive runs cooler than the Seagate 7200.7 in my comp. right now its idling around 33 celcius
Both of my drives have no idle whine. however, the seeks on my maxtor are quite a bit louder.
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Well, if your Seagate 7200.7 does not have a whine... I bet then those Maxtors will sound extremely loud to me.vhx1 wrote:As said in my previous post, i have the 300 gig PATA DM Plus 10.sweatypickle wrote:vhx1 how does the idle noise of this drive compare with the Seagate 7200.7. Also just to be clear, it's the 250 gig version you have correct?vhx1 wrote:
Suprisingly, this drive runs cooler than the Seagate 7200.7 in my comp. right now its idling around 33 celcius
Both of my drives have no idle whine. however, the seeks on my maxtor are quite a bit louder.
I am running a 3700 BQE with the stock PS with an FBK12G12LH OEM Panaflo fan at the rear at 5 volts. For the HSF, i have the Zalman CNPS7000A AlCu running at the lowest voltage setting the fanmate allows. I have the stock antec fan which is pretty quiet blowing in the front. Both fans are mounted with the blue EAR grommets. I also cut out the front fan grill to increase airflow to the HD's. When i wanted to hear just how loud the drive was. I turned off all my case fans and basically took the drive out the cage and put my ear next to itsweatypickle wrote:
No idle whine.. just wondering what are yer other components like fanss, HSF, powersupply etc
THe only thing about this setup that i would change is the stock PSU fan on the 350 W PSU. When it spins up it gets pretty audible. For the GPU i have the Zalman ZMHP80C.
I have one of the 7200.7's from the batch made in Seagates new China factory. As seen in various posts on this forum, they are extremely quiet (comparable to Samsung spinpoint series) and no the maxtors will not sound loud to you. My hearing is pretty sensitive also. However, i mite be one of the lucky few who received a quiet DM Plus 10.Tigr wrote:Well, if your Seagate 7200.7 does not have a whine... I bet then those Maxtors will sound extremely loud to me.
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Is this a serious comment ?vhx1 wrote:I just picked up the 300 gb PATA version of this. Let me say this drive has no idle whine whatsoever. However, the seeks are a big loud but i can't really hear em with my case closed. These things are pretty fast. i installed windows in about 15 min.
Windows in 15 mins ?
surely not Win XP ?
XP always takes at least 35 mins to install, the HD is never the bottleneck, it takes ages, most of the time reading the files of the cdrom.....
I installed XP onto a max 10, which is the fastest 7200rpm drive u can get, and it took 35mins
my pc is an Athlon 64, with 1gb dual channel memory
do u have any more info on your 15 min installation ?
I sure would love to be able to get it to install that quick
Well i am using an nLite modified installation of Windows XP Professional. Basically i have the option to delete any useless windows system components and services and drivers that are unnecessary thereby slimming down the isntall to about 4-500 megs. While this install is most definitely faster than a regular user prompted installation, i have it fully automated and it the new hard drive made a noticable difference. So yes this amounts to Windows Xp being installed in about 15-20 min. Kinda cheating of course
Comparable (relative) acoustics measurements against the main competition:
http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/553/8/
Do NOT take those as absolute measurement results, as those vary a lot according to the measurement setup used.
Still, the relative ranking is revealing as it is, imho.
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http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/553/8/
Do NOT take those as absolute measurement results, as those vary a lot according to the measurement setup used.
Still, the relative ranking is revealing as it is, imho.
EDIT: typos
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You got that right. It seems when everyone gets a new piece of hardware they claim XP installs in 3 minutes. For example, if you read the feedback for the 74GB Raptor at newegg.com there are many claims of XP installing in < 10 minutes (some say that includes formatting the drive). I've installed XP to Raptors from a 52X CD-ROM and found ~35 minutes is much closer than 10. Either there are a lot of people out there who don't know how to read a clock, or there's something I don't know about installing XP in seconds flat.BOOGS wrote:XP always takes at least 35 mins to install, the HD is never the bottleneck, it takes ages, most of the time reading the files of the cdrom.....
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Any idea of the mewasuring distance? Those numbers are all very high, so I am guessing it's really close -- a few inches, which is not a good technique.halcyon wrote:Comparable (relative) acoustics measurements against the main competition:
http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/553/8/
Do NOT take those as absolute measurement results, as those vary a lot according to the measurement setup used.
Still, the relative ranking is revealing as it is, imho.
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If you click on the title of a graph in the tweakers.net reviews, then you go to a page which describes the used testing method. Run that through babelfish so you can understand.
In a previous thread about their review of the Seagate 7200.8 I posted the next comments.
In a previous thread about their review of the Seagate 7200.8 I posted the next comments.
Tibors wrote:The seek noise mounted in a drive bay is measured at a distance of only 3mm from the side of the drive bay.
Just run the next quote through your favorite translator.The seek noise with the drive placed on foam is measured at a distance of 22mm above the disk, while the noise probe and the disk are enclosed in a plastic box. Echo anyone?tweakers.net wrote:De schijf wordt vastgezet met vier schroeven en de geluidsdruk wordt altijd gemeten op dezelfde positie aan de zijkant van de schijf in de bay. De geluidsdrukmeter bevindt zich hierbij op drie millimeter van het metalen oppervlak van de bay.
Just run the next quote through your favorite translator.tweakers.net wrote:De schijf wordt in een plastic doos op een laagje foam geplaatst. In de zijkant van de doos bevindt zich een opening waardoor de sensor van de geluidsdrukmeter op een vaste hoogte van 2,2 centimeter boven de schijf gepositioneerd kan worden.