New Raptors on the Horizon

acaurora · Post by **acaurora** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 2:09 pm

http://www.dvhardware.net/article8814.html

Supposedly has the same noise characteristics (poo), but will have 2x the capacity. Designed for SATA II/SAS... will be coming soon.

I dont know about you guys, but I'm TOTALLY getting 2

jamesm · Post by **jamesm** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:06 pm

looks like you can already get one http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/produ ... tno=A9BW18

Hopefully, the price will come down real soon. My 74 gb raptor is a great drive.

rpsgc · Post by **rpsgc** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:22 pm

Also mentioned here:
http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewto ... 4&start=60

acaurora · Post by **acaurora** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:37 pm

Well sorry if I'm slow -.-

rpsgc · Post by **rpsgc** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:40 pm

acaurora wrote:Well sorry if I'm slow -.-

Oh!

(it's different now

)

rpsgc · Post by **rpsgc** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:07 am

Sooo, "Gamer" and "Server" versions eh?

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:20 am

acaurora wrote:http://www.dvhardware.net/article8814.html

Supposedly has the same noise characteristics (poo), but will have 2x the capacity. Designed for SATA II/SAS... will be coming soon.

I dont know about you guys, but I'm TOTALLY getting 2

Don't know what the poo comment refers to, it's the quietest drive I've ever used. Much quieter than my Dmax 9+ 160gb sata150 by far..

qviri · Post by **qviri** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:49 am

Hellspawn wrote:Don't know what the poo comment refers to, it's the quietest drive I've ever used. Much quieter than my Dmax 9+ 160gb sata150 by far..

Well yeah, my coffee grinder is quieter than my Maxtor

j/k. I do not own a Maxtor (or a coffee grinder for that matter), but DM9s are known for not being the quietest around.

nici · Post by **nici** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:41 am

Yeah the DM9 is certainly far from being quiet.. But the raptor idle noise is about the same as nidec spinpoint, as noted in the SPCR review of the Raptor.

I still dont get it why people keep saying he raptor is noisy and hot, idle noise is among the best of 3,5" drives and seeks are not much louder than others just a bit sharper. AAM doesnt make it quieter really, but who would by a performance drive and use AAM? If you know how to make a drive with twice as fast seek times as other 3,5" sata drives and make it quieter than the others, im shure a HDD company will hire you and pay you big money. And as for hot it idles at the same temps as my seagates, WDs and Maxtors...

acaurora · Post by **acaurora** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:57 pm

Guys, I'm not saying the raptor's noisy to begin with. I'm just disappointed that it isn't quieter (the seeks could use some work). I have 2 74 GB Raptors and they're perfectly quiet, and still plenty bearable during my normal gaming (Tanks blazin and guns firing drown these out easily).

tjpark1111 · Post by **tjpark1111** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:13 pm

capacity increase is good, but moving to SATA2 doesn't improve performance much at all.... I was thinking 15k rpm would be a good upgrade but i guess WD and everybody else don't agree... is it because of noise??

jackylman · Post by **jackylman** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:44 pm

tjpark1111 wrote:I was thinking 15k rpm would be a good upgrade

Blasphemy! You must have gotten lost on your way to HardOCP.com

nici · Post by **nici** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:47 pm

jackylman wrote:
tjpark1111 wrote:I was thinking 15k rpm would be a good upgrade
Blasphemy! You must have gotten lost on your way to HardOCP.com

No seriously, if a 10k drive has idle noise comparable to a 7.2k drive, how good would a 15k drive of th same quality be? Even faster seeks of course, but spindle speed doesnt really affect noise volume that much does it? I mean if we assume that two drives, one 7,2k and one 15k, both have perfectly balanced platters and very good FDBs, will anything other than the pitch of the sound change?

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:24 pm

I have mine in the antec p150. I first tried the squishy silicone bushings, then the suspension and to be honest really couldn't tell a difference. Either mounting method just results in a ticking that I can't even hear from my normal seated position. 1 tricool on low, passive ninja, 7800gt with rivatuner set fan to 25% on 2d and low perf. 3d and 40% on highperf 3d. I can barely hear the whole system (from where I sit to use it). I'm very pleased.

jaganath · Post by **jaganath** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:56 am

spindle speed doesnt really affect noise volume that much does it?

I think the relationship between spindle speed and acoustic noise is pretty linear. After all, this is why 5400/4200rpm 2.5" notebook drives are so much quieter than 7200rpm 3.5" HDDs.

I mean if we assume that two drives, one 7,2k and one 15k, both have perfectly balanced platters and very good FDBs, will anything other than the pitch of the sound change?

I would assume that the sound power of the 15K drive would be much higher, if only because it takes more energy to accelerate a platter to 15Krpm than 7.2K rpm (all other things being equal), and so more energy (proportionately) is lost as noise.

nici · Post by **nici** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:44 pm

jaganath wrote:
spindle speed doesnt really affect noise volume that much does it?
I think the relationship between spindle speed and acoustic noise is pretty linear. After all, this is why 5400/4200rpm 2.5" notebook drives are so much quieter than 7200rpm 3.5" HDDs.

I mean if we assume that two drives, one 7,2k and one 15k, both have perfectly balanced platters and very good FDBs, will anything other than the pitch of the sound change?
I would assume that the sound power of the 15K drive would be much higher, if only because it takes more energy to accelerate a platter to 15Krpm than 7.2K rpm (all other things being equal), and so more energy (proportionately) is lost as noise.

Oh well, you might be right. All i can say for certain from my own experience is that the Raptor is the most quiet 3,5" HDD i´ve owned, i´ve had spinpoint nidecs, FDB WDs, Seagates, Maxtors..

Ill soon stop using this computer as my main rig, as i have ordered a 2,5" 80Gb sata drive and a ESI Juli@ soundcard for my other, older, computer. Its running one 80mm nexus at ~6V and a 92mm nexus at about the same voltage, the 7200.2 120gb pata is by far noisier than those fans even though its suspended with silicone cord..

I may be a bit off topic here, but im tired and i just got stuck in the bloody snow with my car. Dont lower your car 5-6cm if you have to drive in the snow.. bloody headache.

~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:09 pm

tjpark1111 wrote:capacity increase is good, but moving to SATA2 doesn't improve performance much at all.... I was thinking 15k rpm would be a good upgrade but i guess WD and everybody else don't agree... is it because of noise??

It has been shown that on the higher density per platter samples that tomscrapware showed how NCQ and sata-ii was actually producing faster than 74gb raptor for transfers and stuff. I believe it is a completely erroneous rumour that ncq and sata-II standard do not provide benefits.

vertigo · Post by **vertigo** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:23 am

~El~Jefe~, you'll have to do better than that. Give us a link to these THG articles. I believe NCQ will make no difference with queue depths less than 3, which is only likely to occur with 3 processes doing sustained I/O simultaneously. This will simply not happen in a single user environment.

Sooty · Post by **Sooty** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:26 pm

Review of Raptor WD1500 at Storage Review

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:37 pm

I concur with you Sir - the quietest drive I've ever used. I started out with a 10mb MFM 5.25 drive and worked up through such drives as the seagate 80mb full height 5lb boat anchor, to micropolis 1gb screamers, rll, esdi, scsi, blah and such all the way up to the barracuda line, diamondmax, wdc, ad nauseum.

Raptor comes in FTW (For the win) hands down.

nici wrote:
jaganath wrote:
spindle speed doesnt really affect noise volume that much does it?
I think the relationship between spindle speed and acoustic noise is pretty linear. After all, this is why 5400/4200rpm 2.5" notebook drives are so much quieter than 7200rpm 3.5" HDDs.

I mean if we assume that two drives, one 7,2k and one 15k, both have perfectly balanced platters and very good FDBs, will anything other than the pitch of the sound change?
I would assume that the sound power of the 15K drive would be much higher, if only because it takes more energy to accelerate a platter to 15Krpm than 7.2K rpm (all other things being equal), and so more energy (proportionately) is lost as noise.
Oh well, you might be right. All i can say for certain from my own experience is that the Raptor is the most quiet 3,5" HDD i´ve owned, i´ve had spinpoint nidecs, FDB WDs, Seagates, Maxtors..

Ill soon stop using this computer as my main rig, as i have ordered a 2,5" 80Gb sata drive and a ESI Juli@ soundcard for my other, older, computer. Its running one 80mm nexus at ~6V and a 92mm nexus at about the same voltage, the 7200.2 120gb pata is by far noisier than those fans even though its suspended with silicone cord..

I may be a bit off topic here, but im tired and i just got stuck in the bloody snow with my car. Dont lower your car 5-6cm if you have to drive in the snow.. bloody headache.

~El~Jefe~ · Post by **~El~Jefe~** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:10 pm

Ah the review at storage review, while of course being exceedingly thorough and excellent, also was wonderfully hope ful for spcr types.

they measure at 3 mm ?? that's freakin close. Is that how MikeC does it?

anyways, MikeC will of course pound one of these out properly.

From the data, it looked as if the new raptor is quieter than the old one or at least, the same.

150 gb dream. 300 dollar price tag is a bit steep, but it is the best hd on the market. I would like one

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:38 am

For those interested to buy one, in the UK it is supposed to become available tomorrow, at OverclockersUK and Tekheads.
I might recommend this drive for the next office workstation!

Update: transparent top?

Isn't this supposed to be bad for cooling?

Richard Berg · Post by **Richard Berg** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:59 pm

they measure at 3 mm ??

They have to, if they want to give figures with a reasonable uncertainty %. They're using a consumer SPL meter vs. SPCR's calibrated professional microphones. I doubt their lab is ~18dBA ambient either.

NoizEnvader · Post by **NoizEnvader** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:56 am

Western Digital RaptorX in action.

EDIT: - Link

Erssa · Post by **Erssa** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:52 am

NoizEnvader wrote:Western Digital Raptor WD1500 in action.

I have to admit that Raptor X looks pretty cool. But it has a price premium of 50$ to regular WD1500 Raptor. I wonder how that transparent lens effects acoustics. I'd guess it wouldn't be noticeable.

nici · Post by **nici** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:13 am

Erssa wrote:
NoizEnvader wrote:Western Digital Raptor WD1500 in action.
I have to admit that Raptor X looks pretty cool. But it has a price premium of 50$ to regular WD1500 Raptor. I wonder how that transparent lens effects acoustics. I'd guess it wouldn't be noticeable.

It probably wont affect acoustics, if naything it will lower noise since the metal cover is usually pretty thin and i would think the plastic is thicker.

But its already expensive drive, 50$ premium for the X doesnt feel that bad. I would probably still get the normal version though, i was to get this drive, wich i dont. Too pricey, and besides i dont really need it.. i have enough of HDs i dont use anyway, three sitting in front of me right now..

Erssa · Post by **Erssa** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:33 am

I will probably get the regular WD1500, but I will wait for the Windows Vista release. I will update my motherboard at the same time.

rpsgc · Post by **rpsgc** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:46 am

I suppose SPCR will do a review of it (or maybe both) when there is time?

NoizEnvader · Post by **NoizEnvader** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:53 am

Sorry guys, it's the RaptorX.
Same drive as WD1500, only with a window.
Fixed the link.

I personally would not put that thing in any of my rigs.
I don't care how pretty or fast it is.
It sound crazy loud.

nici · Post by **nici** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:40 am

NoizEnvader wrote:
I personally would not put that thing in any of my rigs.
I don't care how pretty or fast it is.
It sound crazy loud.

Where did you get that impression? The Raptor is among the quietest 3,5" drives available, at least at idle. Its quieter than my P80 Nidec, or actually about the same level but it doesnt have a a high-pitched whine like the samsung.

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