Sigh...Just what we all need

PSUs: The source of DC power for all components in the PC & often a big noise source.

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Sigh...Just what we all need

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Post by scara » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:37 am

A PSU that can power my microwave and produce enough waste heat to fry the bacon....who wouldn't want one!

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Post by rpsgc » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:38 am

He he :lol: 800, 900 and 950W PSUs already exist, but... 1000W, yes, one PSU to power half a dozen servers heh? ;)

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Post by qviri » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:03 am

1000W, yes, one PSU to power half a dozen servers heh?
One PSU to rule them all, One PSU to find them,
One PSU to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.


Wonderful efficiency, too. 1400 W pulled from the wall while giving out 1000 W DC? Do I want to know how does this thing cool itself? (Delta makes 120mm fans now?)
the article wrote:but of course, you could just be future proofing, or compensating for something

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Post by rpsgc » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:08 am

I was going to post that but I didn't quite remember it all hehe :D
If only they'd stick to making >80% efficiency 400-450W PSUs. :roll:

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Post by Feyrhel » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:56 am

1000W...should be just enough to engage the first chevron on the Stargate.

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Post by quizzicus » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:19 am

Could this be a hoax?

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Post by mathias » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:31 am

The hummer of PSU's.
qviri wrote:Do I want to know how does this thing cool itself? (Delta makes 120mm fans now?)
Yeah, they do. But this thing looks like it uses a 14cm fan. They've probably stuck an 80 and a 60 at the back too.

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Post by Devonavar » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:56 am

qviri wrote:Wonderful efficiency, too. 1400 W pulled from the wall while giving out 1000 W DC? Do I want to know how does this thing cool itself? (Delta makes 120mm fans now?)
It doesn't need to. Enermax knows as well as we do that it won't be used anywhere near capacity. How would you manage to draw 1000W? I suppose a 4 x dual-core board might get the power draw up there. Toss a 7800GTX or two into the mix (do they make SLI on workstation boards?) and you might hit 400W on the +12V line. Then you also have to find a load that actually requires a system that powerful...

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Post by mathias » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:29 am

Devonavar wrote:How would you manage to draw 1000W? I suppose a 4 x dual-core board might get the power draw up there.
And overclock and overvolt all of those. And maybe add peltiers to them.
Devonavar wrote:Toss a 7800GTX or two into the mix (do they make SLI on workstation boards?) and you might hit 400W on the +12V line.
Someone managed to get SLI working on a normal board with a 1x or 2x PCIe slot, so maybe it would work with a 4x or 8x. And whether or not SLI works, more than two video cards could be used.
Devonavar wrote:Then you also have to find a load that actually requires a system that powerful...
How about three screen gaming?(?270 degree field of view) Using projectors could make the screens blend together seamlessly.

Or instead of a wide angle, having lots of viewpoints at once.


Where there's a sollution, a problem can't be too hard to invent.

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Post by Rusty075 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:28 am

Woah, a LotR and a Stargate reference in the same thread!?! This thread gets extra geek-points already.

Since it's Monday, and that means I'm at work, I started thinking about this from a work perspective, specifically electrical loading. If you work from the assumption that this thing could actually be used at full load, which itself requires two separate assumptions - 1. That you could actually load it to 1000watts of draw, and 2. That it could even run at that capacity - then things start to get interesting:

A typical (in the US) residential duplex outlet is generally rated for 10, 15 or 20amps, depending on how cheap a model the contractor decided to install. If this PSU is running at full load, with 80% efficiency (best case scenario), it will draw 1250 watts from the wall, or about 10.5A @120v. So even a single one of these could be a fire hazard to plug in and load fully, and a pair of them plugged into the same outlet almost certainly would be. Plus, a typical residential bedroom/den/home office circuit is breakered to 15A, so you wouldn't need very much else running off that circuit with one of these to be tripping the breaker everytime your machine tried to go to full power. I'm not even sure the power cords they use to plug the PSU in is rated to 10A. :roll:

I hope we get to test one. :lol:

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Post by blunden » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:31 am

It's interesting that everyone brings up 7800 cards when a 7800GTX draw a tad less power than a 6800Ultra. :D

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Post by BrianE » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:53 am

Rusty075 wrote:If this PSU is running at full load, with 80% efficiency (best case scenario), it will draw 1250 watts from the wall, or about 10.5A @120v.
:shock: That's a truly scary thought....

"Honey..... why is this wall getting warm?"


I don't know about a quad-dual core MB, but Maximum PC recently built a twin dual core computer that supported two SLI video cards and equipped it with five 500GB HDs...... too bad they didn't say how much power the thing consumed full tilt.

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Post by mathias » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:30 am

Rusty075 wrote:Woah, a LotR and a Stargate reference in the same thread!?! This thread gets extra geek-points already.
And you missed my monty python and the holy grail reference.

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Post by nici » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:45 am

BrianE wrote: "Honey..... why is this wall getting warm?"
Thank you. :lol: :lol:

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Post by rpsgc » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:21 am

From Hexus.net:
(...) To put this much power into perspective, a single 7800GTX, the fastest consumer card on the market, draws around 285 Watts of power under full load conditions.
LOL ? :lol:

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Post by Rusty075 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:42 am

Just for clarity, that Hexus number of 285 watts includes the rest of system as well. The power draw for just the 7800gtx is in 80w range..not really that different from the previous top-of-the-line Nvidia (thanks to its die shrink) or the Ati comparable.

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Post by rpsgc » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:08 pm

They should have mentioned it then, or poor grammatical skills. For a "single" card -> 285W ;)

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Post by cotdt » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:47 pm

three 350W peltiers can bring this thing to its knees.

five peltiers would be optimal to cover all sides of the copper cube block that freezes the CPU. i bet that it is still easily possible to dissipate this heat via multiple Nexus fans and huge radiator.

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Post by Mats » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:59 pm

mathias wrote:
Devonavar wrote:Toss a 7800GTX or two into the mix (do they make SLI on workstation boards?) and you might hit 400W on the +12V line.
Someone managed to get SLI working on a normal board with a 1x or 2x PCIe slot, so maybe it would work with a 4x or 8x. And whether or not SLI works, more than two video cards could be used.
There are workstations mobos with SLI out there. If you ever need it, Tyan may be your best friend with their K8WE. Too bad it uses Opterons which doesn't use enough power to justify that PSU...
Maybe the GC-HE? Quad Xeon!!

Seriously, if I use 8 Xeon CPU's with 8 MB cache (each) and a thermal guideline of 129 W (each :lol: ) together with gF7 SLI and an infinite number of SCSI HD's, won't I need that Enermax baby then????? Sorry, couldnt find any dual core Xeons...

And don't ask "Well why would you do that?". You know the answer since this is SPCR. I'd do it only for the challenge to keep it low noise! Even a PD system is not really a challenge compared to this one. I'll have to find out a very efficient method to keep that Xeon machine Cool 'n' Quiet. :?

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Post by frosty » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:49 pm

Oh oh how my Precious, Smeegle wants the precious.....lol

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Post by frostedflakes » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:08 pm

Rusty075 wrote:Woah, a LotR and a Stargate reference in the same thread!?! This thread gets extra geek-points already.

Since it's Monday, and that means I'm at work, I started thinking about this from a work perspective, specifically electrical loading. If you work from the assumption that this thing could actually be used at full load, which itself requires two separate assumptions - 1. That you could actually load it to 1000watts of draw, and 2. That it could even run at that capacity - then things start to get interesting:

A typical (in the US) residential duplex outlet is generally rated for 10, 15 or 20amps, depending on how cheap a model the contractor decided to install. If this PSU is running at full load, with 80% efficiency (best case scenario), it will draw 1250 watts from the wall, or about 10.5A @120v. So even a single one of these could be a fire hazard to plug in and load fully, and a pair of them plugged into the same outlet almost certainly would be. Plus, a typical residential bedroom/den/home office circuit is breakered to 15A, so you wouldn't need very much else running off that circuit with one of these to be tripping the breaker everytime your machine tried to go to full power. I'm not even sure the power cords they use to plug the PSU in is rated to 10A. :roll:

I hope we get to test one. :lol:
According to the article, the power supply needed to pull 1400w from the wall at maximum rated DC load. That's ~11.5A (!!!). Maybe they'll include a 240V cable for plugging it into AC/dryer/etc. sockets. :shock:

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Post by alex7575 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:35 pm

Feyrhel wrote:1000W...should be just enough to engage the first chevron on the Stargate.
Does the fact that I understood and laughed at Feyrhel's remark make me a geek?

Does anyone know how much power one of those 64 way servers drain?

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Post by DryFire » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:09 pm

Looks like that psu could use its own watercooling system.

Other then adding some peltiers to it I don't think i could draw that much even with an 8-way operton platform.

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Post by sthayashi » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:17 pm

You people...

You just don't appreciate the need for a power supply that can operate a 12V air conditioning unit or refrigerator. That way, you can overclock even more!!! :twisted:

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Post by BadAim » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:20 pm

I'm really not surprised this made it to market. Most people now buy 500W to 600W, and only need half of that (at best). Why not convince them that they really need 1000W to power that P4? You really do have to admire the marketing behind some of the current "must have" products.

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Post by justblair » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:54 am

According to the article, the power supply needed to pull 1400w from the wall at maximum rated DC load. That's ~11.5A (!!!). Maybe they'll include a 240V cable for plugging it into AC/dryer/etc. sockets.
Sorry to flame you here, but you are wrong wrong wrong!!! Schoolboy type error in fact

It only requires a small change to the dilithium crystal array... easily achieved by reversing the polarity on a standard issue phasor.

Geeks, watch those sides... Dont want to end up in sick bay
:lol:

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Post by nutball » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:30 am

Well this thing isn't about watts, it's about inches...

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Post by ckolivas » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:00 am

nutball wrote:Well this thing isn't about watts, it's about inches...
or lack thereof...

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Post by quizzicus » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:18 am

I guess it could be used to run a refrigeration unit, like a Vapochill. I think those things currently have their own power supplies. Or maybe if you wanted to build a PC with a built-in 21" CRT (a giant iMac?).

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