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Post by Charles » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:21 pm

Ralf Hutter wrote:
Charles wrote:So this is not god?



This is better?
Absolutely correct.
Ok, I will decide...
I don't know how to find this elastic HDD mounters in Hungary...

I will try a Zalman HDC1 at the Weekend...

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Post by Charles » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:27 pm

Anyway, if I can manage to get 2 SilentVibes3, or some elastic stuff,
how do you suggest

mounting it to my CM Centurion5?

In the 3.5" places there is not much space... and in the 5.25" racks, there is spcace, but the closing mechanism do not let me to put htrough any elastic "rope"... :?

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Post by Charles » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:39 pm

Is this "clone" of the noisvibes3 is good?

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"Silentmaxx HDD"

:D

I found an other:

http://www.pcsilent.de/depd_novibes_sha ... ovibes.asp

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Post by Charles » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:28 pm

I made a self-made "vibes"... pictrures soon... 8)

Have to make one more for the other HDD...

BR!
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Post by Charles » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:35 am

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This is the monuting "unit". An elasctic rope, which is a silicon-rubber like inside, and some silk-like outside.

Unfortunatelly, I coluld not find pure rubber rope. I have large rubbers, so maybe I will try the other rack with those...

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Post by Charles » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:38 am

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The Samsung SP1213C, mounted inside...

The bend of the sides is necessary, else the rack wouldn't fit in the 5.25" place... :( This is why the ropes are not simmetrical, becaus I had to modify them after installation, to be tight enough.

The drive sits firmly in place, and it is not in contact with the metal parts.

BR!
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Post by Charles » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:46 am

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The cage mounted inside. There is absolutely no vibration even if I touch the cd-rom cage, in which the mounted drive is in...

However, after some (several hours use) the HDD gets a little hot, 46 C.
Before, in the 3.5" place it was 40 C after use, with a 1000 RPM 8cms Sharkoon fan installed in front.

And so far the case is open, so the 46 C will maybe bit higher if I put the sides and the front of the case back...

Unfortunatelly, I cannot place the drive cage even by one "storey" below, because the long old cd-cage interferes with the motherboard... I do not have an opportunity to cut the old cd-case yet...

Should I install a fan?

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Post by Charles » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:17 pm

OK... I can say this project is falied... :( :roll:

Although the HDD-s were almost inaudiable, they got hot. Very hot.

I managed to put the two in the bottom 5.25" and above, one space between the other. I thougt, some breeze from the back 12cm fan would reach them this way. (I do not have a CPU fan, that ventilates the air for the back, yet!)

The hotter HDD reached 56C! The other around 46.
The lower was the cooler, it even heated the other above...

Now I have put both HDD-s back. They are in the upper and the middle space, close to each other. I have put a special sponge underneath the lower one, like the dampening sponges.

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Post by wim » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:34 pm

removable 2.5 suspension for 5.25 bay using shipping materials :)
more pics in this thread for anyone interested

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Post by MikeC » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:38 pm

wim wrote:removable 2.5 suspension for 5.25 bay using shipping materials :)

8) 8)

Great! This is the kind of DIY stuff that's inspiring -- simple, clever, effective & cheap. It is engineering at its humble best.

You could enhance it by cutting a slot on one end for the data cables.
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Post by theyangster » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:58 pm

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Post by Charles » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:26 am

MikeC, what do you suggest to my problem?

After having too hot HDD-s mounted in the upper 5.25" bays, I am not really want to put the drives there from the above 3.5" bays.

But there, they are louder.

Now, I am not sure if I bought a Zalman, Nexus, Noiseblocker X-Swing, etc. mounting stuff it would be cool enough there. (let's just say, I do not care for the sound...)

?

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Post by Charles » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:12 am

Hm...

I am thinking about buying 2 pairs of these:

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And mounting it with screws... and hanging the HDD-s using this holder...
If I could really use the screws instad of the plastic thing in my CM Centurion5....

Any comments?

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Post by Filias Cupio » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:01 pm

Using a 5 drive capacity cage from an Acousitcase C6607. (The same guts seem to be in several other cases, including an Antec one.)

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Materials are the drive cage, a bit over 1m of round rubber strip and four cable ties. I got the strip from a local rubber goods store (Para Rubber, for those in New Zealand), cost I think $3.80/m. I got 1 m, thinking I'd have lots to spare, but it turned out to be barely enough - and the shop attendant was generous in their measuring, so I recommend more than 1m. The strip is cut into two and turned into two loops, joined with the cable ties.

Advantages:
Tidy
Effective
Cheap
Keeps drive by front air-inlet
Could be adapted for two drives. (An earlier post in this thread shows a very similar mounting in a 4 drive cage, with 2 drives bolted with a gap between them.)

Disadvantages:
In most cases, you can't mount more than two drives like this.
Not all cases have a suitable cage.

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Post by Charles » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:28 pm

Hello,

I've got my new HDD mount installed...

The HDD itself is cooler than it was with the previous version... Although it is not really "cool", but hot. 48C is the highest, it goes no further...

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I thought, that that the air suction from the CPU fan is enough... It gives some cooling, but not enough, I think...

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Post by dddibley » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:35 pm

Looks good. You can also increase cooling by replacing the bay cover with a suitable piece of scouring pad. (the meshed, flat wafer kind) Your case fan should take care of the rest. Air will enter through the path of least resistance. Doubles as a dust filter too.

Hope that's anti-static carpet there :) Raise the drive up a notch and you won't need it.

ddd

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Had a thought Charles. The tabs holding the drive rails have holes underneath. If you could get two strands of bungy (thinner?) through each and tie them off on the outside of the cage, you wouldn't need the rails (or carpet) at all :)

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Post by Charles » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:06 am

Hello!

Yes, maybe the picture is a bit misleading! The HDD is not even near the carpet!

I don't think it is anti-static... It is for only seek-noise dampening...
Here is a picture from the drive's distance from the carpet:

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Post by Charles » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:08 am

And yes, the bay cover is already a mesh-type, because I have a CM Centurion5...

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Post by dddibley » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:33 am

Sorry.. missed that part. Nice case !!

It's also a 'heavy breather'. Obviously the airflow has to be directed over the HDD somehow. The options would be to tape off the existing upper bay covers (sort of defeats the purpose of the case) or rig up a fan. The NoVibes had a solution for that I believe.

http://www.noisecontrol.de/info/rahmen/scsi/inf.htm

Guess the air is supposed to hit the bottom and go up the sides. Maybe a fan suspension is in order.. from the top instead ?

CM Stacker had that 120mm fan slash HDD cage. Takes room away from the suspension though.

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Post by Charles » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:28 pm

Yes, I will never be satisfied.... :roll: :cry:

The HDD is around 44 C with the CPU fan at 1650RPM (8V from the mobo) and the back 12cm Fan on. But it is noisy that way...

I did not want to give that amount of money for any suspension, so that is why I made one. So don't bother showing me the Silentvibes stuff. :P :lol:

Anyway I am thinking of a Hitachi 7tk250 HDD or maybe a Notebook Hdd.

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Post by dddibley » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:21 pm

How are you measuring the HDD? I've seen numerous posts with temps up there. My Samsung SP0802N ATA reports a SMART temp of 27-29C (fans lo/hi)

There won't be any original ideas coming from me. I'd rather take a mix of everyone else's and make it better :)

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Post by matva » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:08 pm

was looking for some stuff to suspend but all i could find was some velcro. here are the results: (click for big1)

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this is a sonata II, btw, in case you couldn't tell. Definitely helped a little... i think it actually did more for airflow/hdd temps than it did for reducing vibrations though. when my system is idle, hdd temps stay around 29c.
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Post by Volkswagen » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:02 pm

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Were can i buy a pair of these in the us ?

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Post by peterson » Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:15 am

matva wrote:was looking for some stuff to suspend but all i could find was some velcro.
Velcro seems like a great idea. Must try it myself :) Thanks!

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Post by dddibley » Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:55 pm

Volkswagen wrote:Were can i buy a pair of these in the us ?
They look like standard 3½ to 5¼ HDD adapters. You should be able to find them at any local computer shop. Haven't seen them in many of the 'box' stores though.

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Post by kogi » Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:08 pm

Antec Titan HD Suspension

6mm Shock cord
1/4 washer
1/2 washer
superglue to keep washers from sliding
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Cable ties between drives and cage
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Close up shot
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2 x L1A @ 5v for cooling
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Post by munchgrunch » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:02 pm

i decided to try suspending my hard drives and WOW they are so much more quieter!

pics:

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it may look like they are touching the front of the case but they aren't. they are being suspended by thin wire which is very bendable, kind of like pipe cleaners. surprisely it holds very well so i'm satisfied :)

anyone know any programs to check the temperatures of my CPU, hard drive, and vid card?

also what temperature should these parts not exceed?

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Post by dddibley » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:47 pm

munchgrunch wrote:..anyone know any programs to check the temperatures of my CPU, hard drive, and vid card?

also what temperature should these parts not exceed?
'SpeedFan' will do CPU and HDD (SMART) temps.. also fan adjustments and monitoring. 'Motherboard Monitor (MBM5)' is another useful tool. 'Dtemp' is a HDD (SMART) monitor. For vid card 'ATI Tool' is easy to use (temps and fan adjustments for ATI cards). Not sure about nVidia.

Quick net search will locate any one of them.

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Post by theyangster » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:01 pm

munchgrunch wrote:
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that looks EXCEEDINGLY dangerous! :shock: but they're your drives...
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