Samsung F1 series hard drives w/1TB model
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Well, the Samsung 1TB is now supposedly in stock according to this French retailer: http://www.toutpourlamicro.com/article. ... rer=clubic
Hopefully it will arrive in North America (or even England) sometime soon!
Hopefully it will arrive in North America (or even England) sometime soon!
Maybe it needs a phone check but I'm 99% confident that this store doesn't have any Samsung F1 in stock. What they're doing here is a well-known technique to get many customers pre-order. Just have a look at the price they're asking...tonyw wrote:Well, the Samsung 1TB is now supposedly in stock according to this French retailer: http://www.toutpourlamicro.com/article. ... rer=clubic
I use to check availability by going to the german www.heise.de price search engine. For example Samsung HD102UJ is here. You can see that currently only one website in a list of 61 sites says it's on stock (green cell)(just have a look at their price...), and another one says they can have it in 3~4 days (yellow cell). Well, I'll know some really have it in stock when at least 10% of the listed shops are green- or yellow-colored.
http://www.hartware.de/news_42808.html
All 320, 500, 750 GB & 1 TB Samsung F1 models first announced for July/August are now planned for October.
All 320, 500, 750 GB & 1 TB Samsung F1 models first announced for July/August are now planned for October.
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That's too bad. Might have to pick up a 7200.11 500GB instead...if those will ever come out too...alfred wrote:http://www.hartware.de/news_42808.html
All 320, 500, 750 GB & 1 TB Samsung F1 models first announced for July/August are now planned for October.
Why 7200.11 500GB? Even if it would have just two platters, it's still a Seagate. Samsung T166 500GB is likely quieter despite the extra platter. Heck, I'd even choose a WD AAKS or T7K500 over any Seagate these days. Well, until someone verifies they have started supporting AAM feature again but no-one really even expects that to happen. Seagate has made it's decision and it's been a constant downhill since Barracuda IV.
I already have two 500GB t166, but would like a third HDD that is faster for windows and games (my Seagate .10 is only temporary and will be sold very cheaply to my sister).
Numbers I've seen seems to indicate that the 7200.11 series is quieter than than 7200.10, and while this may not be true then the drive is most likely not the be a lot more noisier than a 7200.10 which is not as silent as the Samsungs, but I've taken some measures to quieten it down. I could take it steps further by building, for instance, a hdd-drive silencer made of wood (preferably MDF) and add some sounddampening if required...
As it's now, I'm quite happy with the noise level of my computer...I wish for more performance and even more space. I might have to wait and see how F1 performs if the new Seagates don't suit my needs.
Numbers I've seen seems to indicate that the 7200.11 series is quieter than than 7200.10, and while this may not be true then the drive is most likely not the be a lot more noisier than a 7200.10 which is not as silent as the Samsungs, but I've taken some measures to quieten it down. I could take it steps further by building, for instance, a hdd-drive silencer made of wood (preferably MDF) and add some sounddampening if required...
As it's now, I'm quite happy with the noise level of my computer...I wish for more performance and even more space. I might have to wait and see how F1 performs if the new Seagates don't suit my needs.
StorageReview Performance Database comparison with some 500...1000GB drives:
linky
The two biggest Seagates reviewed by StorageReview also happen to be the sluggiest of all big capacity HDDs. Take a look at Single-User Suite results and see how completely lethargic those scores are. For example benchmark using typical office software access patterns:
7K1000: 910
T7K500: 826
T166: 806
WD5000YS (equivalent to WD5000KS): 763
Seagate ES (equivalent to 7200.10) 750GB: 575
Seagate NL.2 (equivalent to 7200.9) 500GB: 508
Sure, you're talking about 7200.11 so they may be better... or even worse. I don't the 7200.11 has a chance to beat 7K1000... and it's quite probably it cant even beat T7K500 or even older 7K500. Seagates just don't have good firmware... no... not even a barely decent one.
If you consider Hitachis too loud (even though they are probably not as loud as Seagates) you can always go for T166. Even T166 will outperform those noisy Seagates.
Also worth mentioning is that they do consume as much (or even slightly more) power (and thus generate as much or even more heat) as 5-platter 7K1000. (They use 1½ watts more than 7K1000 when idling but 1 watt less when non-AAM seeking.)
I don't see much reason to choose a Seagate these days. Warranty length is one of the very few positive things about modern Seagates. But considering that prices drop rapidly, an equivalent capacity drive is quite cheap 3 years from purchase date. I seriously don't think warranty extension beyond that is worth the sluggish performance combined with unpleasant noise characteristics.
linky
The two biggest Seagates reviewed by StorageReview also happen to be the sluggiest of all big capacity HDDs. Take a look at Single-User Suite results and see how completely lethargic those scores are. For example benchmark using typical office software access patterns:
7K1000: 910
T7K500: 826
T166: 806
WD5000YS (equivalent to WD5000KS): 763
Seagate ES (equivalent to 7200.10) 750GB: 575
Seagate NL.2 (equivalent to 7200.9) 500GB: 508
Sure, you're talking about 7200.11 so they may be better... or even worse. I don't the 7200.11 has a chance to beat 7K1000... and it's quite probably it cant even beat T7K500 or even older 7K500. Seagates just don't have good firmware... no... not even a barely decent one.
If you consider Hitachis too loud (even though they are probably not as loud as Seagates) you can always go for T166. Even T166 will outperform those noisy Seagates.
Also worth mentioning is that they do consume as much (or even slightly more) power (and thus generate as much or even more heat) as 5-platter 7K1000. (They use 1½ watts more than 7K1000 when idling but 1 watt less when non-AAM seeking.)
I don't see much reason to choose a Seagate these days. Warranty length is one of the very few positive things about modern Seagates. But considering that prices drop rapidly, an equivalent capacity drive is quite cheap 3 years from purchase date. I seriously don't think warranty extension beyond that is worth the sluggish performance combined with unpleasant noise characteristics.
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I forgot that StorageReview did have 7200.9 500GB reviewed too. While NL.2 is enterprise equivalent of 7200.9, differences are likely due to different manufacture day. 7200.9 was reviewed first and thus probably an older sample, and had higher office benchmark score (around 600 instead of 500, but still far worse than those of Hitachi, Samsung and WD (around 800)).
Here's the stores of the siblings: linky
Practically, they both suck.
Here's the stores of the siblings: linky
Practically, they both suck.
Well, I have now placed my 320GB .10 inside my sisters computer and use two t166 500GB drives, and I can't really notice any difference in performance. There's certainly a difference in the soundvolume, as I've already said the Samsungs are much more quiet.
According to fudzilla, the new Seagates will start to ship next week, so I guess we'll soon found out if it's anything to have:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 1&Itemid=1
According to fudzilla, the new Seagates will start to ship next week, so I guess we'll soon found out if it's anything to have:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 1&Itemid=1
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from here:
I'm too waiting for them cause I want to change my 7200.10 drivesalfred wrote:http://www.hartware.de/news_42808.html
All 320, 500, 750 GB & 1 TB Samsung F1 models first announced for July/August are now planned for October.
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Doh, can you blame me for seeing Seagate as Samsung in a Samsung thread... Both start with a S and is seven lettersSileX wrote: Which links? One is for Seagate and the other is for Samsung. They are different beasts!
Well, it's pretty frustrating having to wait and wait and wait a bit more for this drive.
Single-platter HD250HJ is available : http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?fs=HD250HJ&in=
For 54,34 or 57,90 € (euro)???alfred wrote:Single-platter HD250HJ is available : http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?fs=HD250HJ&in=
http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?a=2 ... filterform
the idle and seek noise ratings for these drives are:
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HD250HJ 2.3 bel 2.6 bel
HD321HJ 2.45 bel 2.75 bel
AVAILABLE Samsung 1TB:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/ ... 49&tab=fea#
This product IS NOW AVAILABLE!!!
http://www.doicoaustralia.com/shop/prod ... 82f65a45fb
Acoustics
Idle 2.70 Bel
Performance Seek 2.90 Bel
Power Requirements
Voltage +5V±5%, +12V±10%
Spin-up Current (Max.) 2.4 A
Seek (typical) 8.6 W
Read/Write (typical) 7.9 W
Idle (typical) 7.7 W
Standby (typical) 0.8/1.2 W
Sleep (typical) 0.8/1.2 W
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/ ... 49&tab=fea#
This product IS NOW AVAILABLE!!!
http://www.doicoaustralia.com/shop/prod ... 82f65a45fb
Acoustics
Idle 2.70 Bel
Performance Seek 2.90 Bel
Power Requirements
Voltage +5V±5%, +12V±10%
Spin-up Current (Max.) 2.4 A
Seek (typical) 8.6 W
Read/Write (typical) 7.9 W
Idle (typical) 7.7 W
Standby (typical) 0.8/1.2 W
Sleep (typical) 0.8/1.2 W
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anyone ordered this yet? the site doesn't look too trustworthy to me, and 500 bucks seems like a very high price. Maybe they're just saying they have it, but will reply to an order saying that they're sold out and you'll have to wait (earning them the cash of people trying to be early adopters).SileX wrote:This product IS NOW AVAILABLE!!!
http://www.doicoaustralia.com/shop/prod ... 82f65a45fb
Anyway, none of the german stores have either model availabe yet, I just hope the october report was accurate.
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Never heard of them before..klankymen wrote:anyone ordered this yet? the site doesn't look too trustworthy to me, and 500 bucks seems like a very high price.SileX wrote:This product IS NOW AVAILABLE!!!
http://www.doicoaustralia.com/shop/prod ... 82f65a45fb
there are cheaper stores on staticICE