Samsung 1TB F1 vs Western Digital 1TB GP vs Hitachi 7k1000

KuniD · Post by **KuniD** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:40 am

andyb wrote:The 750GB F1's are in stock at komplett.co.uk with the 1TB models not far behind.

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kl.aspx?bn=10096

Likewise at OCUK.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productli ... &subid=940

Same again at Scan and MicroDirect, although they dont even mention the 1TB model.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products ... bnails=yes
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productlis ... =10#Paging

Still not even listed at Dabs or eBuyer

Well the 750GBs are quite widely available, and the 1TB models on the horizon.

Andy

If you want to order a few other bits and bobs you might as well order it from Germany. Cheaper components and delivery is 20 euros.

I'm getting...
Samsung HD103UJ
Samsung 160Gb 2.5" 5400
2 x Corsair 1Gb DDR2-667 SO-DIMM
2 x Corsair 2Gb TwinX DDR2-800

All for 350 quid delivered!

Nice little boost to my HTPC and laptop.

sailorman · Post by **sailorman** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:28 am

zzombi wrote:
Schroinx wrote:IT DOES NOT REFLECT A LIFETIME TEST of the drive.

In a fail-safe system, the drives should be swapped before they reach the MTBF number, because as they comes closer, the probability of a failure raises.
Even a lot earlier than that. For the 70 years MTBF of the F1 you need to replace them every 5 years. If you chose to replace them later the MTBF is different (can only be lower). So we need both values: MTBF and LE. In fact the MTBF=f(LE) graph would be even nicer.

The LE of the GP may or may not be longer than F1, despite a longer MTBF (and for the Raid editions only?).

Of course these numbers get accurate as the number of tested samples increases, acting more as limits. It won't warant your single HDD, as you said, but it's more than nothing, at least for me.

guys, i mentioned the MTBF, few decades messages before, just for comparison reasons....
the point is very simple : if u have 2 things of something... one has 1.200.000 hours (MTBF or whatever) and the other just the half, which one would u prefer??????

simple question... simplier answer!!

zzombi · Post by **zzombi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:04 pm

Could be the one with half MTBF. For the same LE it could have higher MTBF. MTBF without LE means nothing.

SileX · Post by **SileX** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:33 pm

Hitachi vs Seagate vs Western Digital vs Samsung:

German:
http://hartware.de/news_43487.html

English translation:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http% ... en&ie=UTF8

zzombi · Post by **zzombi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:22 pm

Wow, even if long waited for it was well worth it. This HDD deserves the F1 name. At least performance wise. It doesn't suffer from mutithreading like the Seagate. Also impressive is the Hitachi, considering its platter size, and the GP is quite decent too for its low rpm.

SileX · Post by **SileX** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:47 am

Shocking:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/21/ ... th_a_bang/

marius7 · Post by **marius7** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:26 am

Where is HD322HJ ?

mandoman · Post by **mandoman** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:07 am

Thanks for the link to Tom's Hardware article. This must
mean we'll see those F1's any day now out in the wild.
Hopefully newegg will have them soon...

Looks like it will be either the WD GP Raid edition
(for it's much lower power consumption and 5 year warranty),
or the F1 (for it's better performance). Probably go
F1 though for the bigger 32mb cache (vs WD 16gb cache).

Was considering the Seagate, and it is still one of the
best performers out of the bunch, but I really want lower
power consumption and temps, so it'll be one of the
others.

Hope we see those F1's at newegg soon!

mandoman · Post by **mandoman** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:16 am

Makes me wonder when the enterprise version
of the F1 will be available, the hE103uj. Looks like
hD103uj will be available first. Wonder what the
differences will be? Longer MTBF?

xilencer · Post by **xilencer** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:51 am

Only application benchmark in the THG review is PCMark05 "Windows XP Startup-Performance", here's Top5 7200rpm:

10.1 MB/s - Samsung Spinpoint F1 (3x334GB platters)
10.0 MB/s - Western Digital RE2 (4x188GB platters)
10.0 MB/s - Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 (5x200GB platters)
9.9 MB/s - Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 (3x167GB platters)
9.4 MB/s - Western Digital Caviar SE16 (4x188GB platters)

Seems Hitachi's old 3x167GB can keep up with Samsung's new 3x334GB!
My system drive choice remains unchanged: P7K500 (not yet reviewed). And so does my storage/backup choice: WD GP.

As a sidenote: Although Samsung's 3.5" performance does not impress me, I think they're doing great with their 2.5" Spinpoint M5 with 160GB platters which are really fast (not only STR).

PASware · Post by **PASware** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:44 pm

SileX wrote:Shocking:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/21/ ... th_a_bang/

Holy macaroni

That hdd is enormously fast.

Would the 320gb be as fast as this one? Because it is also a 334gb platter drive (with 17gb disabled bij firmware). If it is: I'll buy 2 of them.

serialexp · Post by **serialexp** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:22 am

Hi,

I have just bought 3 HD103UJ from Samsung, and I'm currently installing them into my PC. Do you want me to run some benchmarks?
if so I'll need some instructions as I've never done any.

let me know

pleccy2000 · Post by **pleccy2000** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:44 am

How did you buy them? were they expensive?

Please share your thoughts on your subjective opinion on how they sound if you wouldn't mind.

serialexp · Post by **serialexp** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:58 am

I've bought them at a local store (Stegpc.ch) here in Switzerland, they were at the same price as the WesternDigital GP, but cheaper than the Hitachi one.
I suppose swiss currency doesn't mean much to you... 390CHF = 230Eur rougthly.

I'm currently formatting them, so I can't give yet an opinion, but for now my P182 case closed, doesn't seem to make any additional noise, compared to before, meaning the laptop from which I'm writing is covering all other sounds. I'll update you later.

edit: update after 4h of use - moving data to the new drives. The drives have been formatted into NTFS by WindowsXP, they give 931Gb of usable space. I have installed them into the bottom chamber of my P182 Antec Tower, where I have removed the tri-cool fan, and the airflow should look at something like that: <- PSU fan <- PSU <- PSU fan <- space <- HDs < Front panel
The temps of the F1s are 40C for the innactive HD and 43C/44C for the 2 other active drives, that have been active for 4h now.
Noise wise I'm totally satisfied, I still can't hear them... the only thing I hear out of the box are the stock fans' airflow (set to Low).

SileX · Post by **SileX** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:44 am

Finally available in the States, even cheaper than in Europe:

Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ - Hard drive - 1 TB - internal - 3.5" - SATA-300 - 7200 rpm - buffer: 32 MB.
From $304.09:
http://www.google.com/products?q=HD103U ... &scoring=p

sailorman · Post by **sailorman** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:00 am

SileX wrote:Shocking:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/21/ ... th_a_bang/

very usefull link.... thx

has anybody seen any review like this for 750GB HDDs????

JazzJackRabbit · Post by **JazzJackRabbit** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:02 am

Well, at least 1GB models are finally making it into US. However, I really don't need more than 640GB and I definitely do not want to spend $300 on a hard drive.

sailorman · Post by **sailorman** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:03 am

serialexp wrote:I've bought them at a local store (Stegpc.ch) here in Switzerland, they were at the same price as the WesternDigital GP, but cheaper than the Hitachi one.
I suppose swiss currency doesn't mean much to you... 390CHF = 230Eur rougthly.

seems to be a very good price... they costs about 269-283 Eur in Germany and they are available at least in 3 stores...

serialexp · Post by **serialexp** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:10 am

Well there are other shops online in switzerland, where it's even cheaper, but I didn't want to wait for them and the shipping costs make the difference worthless.
I always prefer to go grap them by myself

less hassle also if I need to use the warranty

serialexp · Post by **serialexp** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:14 am

btw it's only cheaper because here we have less VAT, so Hardware and Multimedia products are usually cheaper than in Europe, because the taxes when the product enter switzerland are lower than in the EU.... we get to have more expensive food though

PASware · Post by **PASware** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:20 am

serialexp wrote:btw it's only cheaper because here we have less VAT, so Hardware and Multimedia products are usually cheaper than in Europe, because the taxes when the product enter switzerland are lower than in the EU.... we get to have more expensive food though

Is it possible to compare the noise it makes with de T133 that you have? Because the T133 is quite quit (lol)

serialexp · Post by **serialexp** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:26 am

I can try opening the tower, because personally I only hear the fans....
and you're right, the T133 is very quite.

serialexp · Post by **serialexp** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:37 am

with the case open, I can only start hearing the spinning noise with my ear at 10cm from the HD. The spin noise is comparable to the T133.

Then I have tried copying some folders, and I could hardly hear the usual "grgr" noise. still at 10cm you could hear it, but very light and dumbed (it's hard to describe sounds), not intrusive at all
it explains why when the case is closed I can't hear them at all.
I'm impressed. for a moment I thought that they weren't running !!

PsychoStreak · Post by **PsychoStreak** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:43 am

SileX wrote:Finally available in the States, even cheaper than in Europe:

Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ - Hard drive - 1 TB - internal - 3.5" - SATA-300 - 7200 rpm - buffer: 32 MB.
From $304.09:
http://www.google.com/products?q=HD103U ... &scoring=p

Backordered, and the price $323 when you go to the vendor's site.

Arrgh.

SileX · Post by **SileX** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:05 pm

PsychoStreak wrote:
SileX wrote:Finally available in the States, even cheaper than in Europe:

Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ - Hard drive - 1 TB - internal - 3.5" - SATA-300 - 7200 rpm - buffer: 32 MB.
From $304.09:
http://www.google.com/products?q=HD103U ... &scoring=p
Backordered, and the price $323 when you go to the vendor's site.

Arrgh.

See ALL vendors. For instance, it is available NOW here:

http://ozdirect.com/product_info.php?pr ... anguage=en

HD103UJ
NEW! Samsung 1TB 'HD103UJ' HDD - 32MB Cache - 1,000GB SATA II 7200rpm, 3-year warranty
Current stock at warehouse: >5
Friday 23rd of November 2007 07:04:05 AM

sailorman · Post by **sailorman** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:45 pm

serialexp wrote:btw it's only cheaper because here we have less VAT, so Hardware and Multimedia products are usually cheaper than in Europe, because the taxes when the product enter switzerland are lower than in the EU.... we get to have more expensive food though

maybe its a good time to make that trip to Zurich i was thinking about...lol!!

Christmas time... and only 700km !!

gb115b · Post by **gb115b** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:09 pm

ok now have 8 WD 1TBs in my raid box...

seek noise seems slightly better than the 5000KS

i replaced a load of 400GB 7200.8 drives and the seek noise is waaaay better than that

idle noise beats anything i've heard (better than 501LJ 5000KS)

heat wise, previous drive temps were 45-50C for WD 500s and Seagates 39-40C for samsung.

current temps 37-42C (2 sets of 4 drives, the outher drives at 37 the inner ones at 42)

andyb · Post by **andyb** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:08 pm

That F1 is even faster than I was expecting....... I want one

- no money

They werent bullshitting when they named this drive the F1 - they really meant it.

Andy

PASware · Post by **PASware** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:56 am

I hope the 320 and 640GB arrive fast, because they are the one's that I am the most interessed in.

andyb · Post by **andyb** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:31 am

I hope the 320 and 640GB arrive fast, because they are the one's that I am the most interessed in.

You might be dissapointed - In the past (T166 range) the 320GB version was the last to be out, and the least avalable generally - even now.!! When you add on the fact that the 640GB model was the last to be announced this doesnt look good.

That being said, 4 generation of Samsung HDD's ago their performance compared to the rest of the crowd was sub-par, their policy was not to make any drives with more than 2-platters. Since then they have changed their policy and started making 3-platter drives, and have slowly worked their way up the performance charts with each new range, whilst gaining market share year on year, but have not quite kept up the pressure on the capacity front.

With the F1, this is a turning point in history for Samsung HDD's, they now have the fastest 7200rpm desktop drive for standard usage, they have equaled their rivals in capacity - to me it looks like they have guns blazing but can they manufacture enough of them to satisfy demand - this is going to be the crucial part for them.

Andy