Is this something to worry about? I myself will probably get a TRUE for my computer... I guess it can hang all by itself, but is a bracket good for it's weight?yamahaSHO wrote:I felt the same about the Ultra 120 Extreme, so I made a support bracket.thejamppa wrote:Makes you drool as the same time goose pumps of the fear for having over 1 kilo's hanging onto mobo... ^.~continuum wrote:Wow... a full-sized Ninja in copper? o_0 Craaazy...
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If you throw your computer into the bed of your Ford pickup from 8 feet away, and then drive off to the LAN party without dodging the potholes in the unpaved road, then you need a bracket.Fred wrote:I guess it can hang all by itself, but is a bracket good for it's weight?
Just sitting there, your computer doesn't need a bracket or other kind of bracing.
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That sounds fun, now who offers Ford Pickup and who offers the computer?Felger Carbon wrote:If you throw your computer into the bed of your Ford pickup from 8 feet away, and then drive off to the LAN party without dodging the potholes in the unpaved road, then you need a bracket.Fred wrote:I guess it can hang all by itself, but is a bracket good for it's weight?
Anyway Felger is correct. True isn't made for lan computer's nor is scythe copper.
i got my scythe copper last friday (2 days ago)
this was actually my first aftermarket cooler ive ever used on a machine, and one of the first machines that ive built solely designed for quiet/performance.
i must say, ive never liked installing intel's stock 775 hsf/cooler, but BOY oh BOY did i have a hard time with this scythe copper.
i dont know how to explain it, but for the entire heatsink, i was able to get one half clipped in, but clipping the other part in was near impossible, i could not bend it low enough, and the bracket would not clip it in. Maybe i did something wrong, but boy was it hard . I eventually had to bend the metal clipping part down a bit, and after some hard pushing the clip hooked in.
Maybe its just me and im a noob, but it was hard ;D.
and on another note, umm the fan that comes with the scythe copper, i could not get it on the heatsink properly, because it would interfere with the ram. (gigabyte p35-ds3l). so i just replaced the antec tricool that came with the case, with the scythe fan, seems to work fine. its definitely quieter.
actually now that i think about it, correct me if im wrong, that is where the fan should go right? like on the right side of the fan, by the ram? i could be wrong, since im a bit unexperienced actively (ive read lots, but not that much hands on work).
but regardless, i didnt put the fan on the heatsink, but im not worried since the psu fan is blowing into it. and it seems to be cooling fine somewhat passively. overall im gettin idle temps of 29-31 degrees. and load, it goes up to mid 40's. mind you, this is also with a q6700 overclocked to 3.2 ghz.
well i didnt think my post would get this long, so i guess i could end it with the recent comp i built (80% complete)
-antec solo case
-intel q6700 oc'd to 3.2ghz w/ scythe copper passive w/ ac mx-2 compound
-ocz platinum 2x1gb DDR2 (4-4-4-15) [mite upgrade this, keeping my eye out for deals)
-sata 7200.10 320gb 16meg sataii hard drive (upgrading this to samsung -spinpoint or wd gp, still undecided)
-evga geforce 7600gt (8800gt and accelero s1, coming in this week )
corsair hx520 psu
all in all, everything is great. i guess the scythe copper was a bit of an impulse buy, but im still satisfied (i got it for $59.99 cdn on ncix too), it is doing a good job. i cant wait to replace my hd and get my 8800gt w/accelero cooler, it should help reduce the noise even more, even tho its already whisper quiet
this was actually my first aftermarket cooler ive ever used on a machine, and one of the first machines that ive built solely designed for quiet/performance.
i must say, ive never liked installing intel's stock 775 hsf/cooler, but BOY oh BOY did i have a hard time with this scythe copper.
i dont know how to explain it, but for the entire heatsink, i was able to get one half clipped in, but clipping the other part in was near impossible, i could not bend it low enough, and the bracket would not clip it in. Maybe i did something wrong, but boy was it hard . I eventually had to bend the metal clipping part down a bit, and after some hard pushing the clip hooked in.
Maybe its just me and im a noob, but it was hard ;D.
and on another note, umm the fan that comes with the scythe copper, i could not get it on the heatsink properly, because it would interfere with the ram. (gigabyte p35-ds3l). so i just replaced the antec tricool that came with the case, with the scythe fan, seems to work fine. its definitely quieter.
actually now that i think about it, correct me if im wrong, that is where the fan should go right? like on the right side of the fan, by the ram? i could be wrong, since im a bit unexperienced actively (ive read lots, but not that much hands on work).
but regardless, i didnt put the fan on the heatsink, but im not worried since the psu fan is blowing into it. and it seems to be cooling fine somewhat passively. overall im gettin idle temps of 29-31 degrees. and load, it goes up to mid 40's. mind you, this is also with a q6700 overclocked to 3.2 ghz.
well i didnt think my post would get this long, so i guess i could end it with the recent comp i built (80% complete)
-antec solo case
-intel q6700 oc'd to 3.2ghz w/ scythe copper passive w/ ac mx-2 compound
-ocz platinum 2x1gb DDR2 (4-4-4-15) [mite upgrade this, keeping my eye out for deals)
-sata 7200.10 320gb 16meg sataii hard drive (upgrading this to samsung -spinpoint or wd gp, still undecided)
-evga geforce 7600gt (8800gt and accelero s1, coming in this week )
corsair hx520 psu
all in all, everything is great. i guess the scythe copper was a bit of an impulse buy, but im still satisfied (i got it for $59.99 cdn on ncix too), it is doing a good job. i cant wait to replace my hd and get my 8800gt w/accelero cooler, it should help reduce the noise even more, even tho its already whisper quiet
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Definitely not just you, as my experience was exactly the same. I fitted mine at the weekend and was pleasantly surprised that the motherboard still works after the amount of pressure that was needed. In the end, I had to use a straight edged screwdriver to help lever the clips over the edgejigga44 wrote:BOY oh BOY did i have a hard time with this scythe copper.
i dont know how to explain it, but for the entire heatsink, i was able to get one half clipped in, but clipping the other part in was near impossible, i could not bend it low enough, and the bracket would not clip it in. Maybe i did something wrong, but boy was it hard . I eventually had to bend the metal clipping part down a bit, and after some hard pushing the clip hooked in.
Maybe its just me and im a noob, but it was hard ;D.
My setup is very similar to yours (Solo case etc) and I can thoroughly recommend the Samsung Spinpoint S 250Gb. Once suspended, it's the nearest thing to a silent HD I've come across.
And how does specific heat capacity of copper and aluminium affect to the heat transference to air?. This concept gives a measure of the difficulty to alter the temperature of a material, and the specific heat capacity of copper is much lower than the one for aluminiun.
So copper has best thermal conductivity, but worse specific heat capacity...
Please, we need a thermodinamics guru
So copper has best thermal conductivity, but worse specific heat capacity...
Please, we need a thermodinamics guru
I like the clips better than the pins on the Ninja B version
I ordered a Ninja copper because it utilizes clips like the original Ninja and not the push pins of the Ninja "B" version. I have 3 of the original Ninja HSFs and always install them out of the case - I've gotten used to clipping them in securely.
This is the primary reason I ordered it as I couldn't find the original Ninja for sale anywhere. I've never had a version "B" but after reading all the forum messages, I decided I didn't want one of those for a LGA 775 CPU.
I love the Ninjas because I run with it fanless, I also have a lot of dust problems in Beijing - so closely spaced fins would be a problem for me.
This is the primary reason I ordered it as I couldn't find the original Ninja for sale anywhere. I've never had a version "B" but after reading all the forum messages, I decided I didn't want one of those for a LGA 775 CPU.
I love the Ninjas because I run with it fanless, I also have a lot of dust problems in Beijing - so closely spaced fins would be a problem for me.
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The SHC has absolutely no effect on the heat transference to air. It does have an effect on how fast the heatsink heats up or cools down. While aluminum has a greater SHC per gram, a copper heatsink weighs more, which reduces the difference for a given heatsink. And when I took Thermodynamics 101 at USC (the football factory) in the mid-1960s, it was spelled with a "y". Hey, I actually saw football coach John McKay once. Walked right past him.kike_1974 wrote:And how does specific heat capacity of copper and aluminium affect to the heat transference to air? Please, we need a thermodinamics guru
JackJazzRabbit,
Although the clips for the CU and B versions are different, it looks like you're right about the getting the Universal Retention Bracket to get a MB bolt through bracket for the B version (which is included with the CU version).
I guess I'll live with the additional cost, it isn't the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last. Luckily it's not a huge amount
I'm sure I'll be happy with it on top of a quad core.
Although the clips for the CU and B versions are different, it looks like you're right about the getting the Universal Retention Bracket to get a MB bolt through bracket for the B version (which is included with the CU version).
I guess I'll live with the additional cost, it isn't the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last. Luckily it's not a huge amount
I'm sure I'll be happy with it on top of a quad core.
Thanks Walle,
I just received it in at my home in the U.S. I won't be able to use it for some time because I bought it in preparation for a new build. Currently looking at the Q9450 or Q9550 with an Asus ROG Rampage Formula motherboard. Both the CPUs and MB are currently unavailable, but I expect them to be by mid-year.
I usually buy what I can in the U.S. and bring it to Beijing (its cheaper in the U.S. and their are more quality brand products and retailers). So I end up buying things in stages for to make carrying it all more convenient.
I'm sure I'll like the Ninja Copper. Its not that large of a price difference between it and a "B" + Retention Kit.
BR, Dan
I just received it in at my home in the U.S. I won't be able to use it for some time because I bought it in preparation for a new build. Currently looking at the Q9450 or Q9550 with an Asus ROG Rampage Formula motherboard. Both the CPUs and MB are currently unavailable, but I expect them to be by mid-year.
I usually buy what I can in the U.S. and bring it to Beijing (its cheaper in the U.S. and their are more quality brand products and retailers). So I end up buying things in stages for to make carrying it all more convenient.
I'm sure I'll like the Ninja Copper. Its not that large of a price difference between it and a "B" + Retention Kit.
BR, Dan
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[Offtopic]Felger Carbon wrote:The SHC has absolutely no effect on the heat transference to air. It does have an effect on how fast the heatsink heats up or cools down. While aluminum has a greater SHC per gram, a copper heatsink weighs more, which reduces the difference for a given heatsink. And when I took Thermodynamics 101 at USC (the football factory) in the mid-1960s, it was spelled with a "y". Hey, I actually saw football coach John McKay once. Walked right past him.kike_1974 wrote:And how does specific heat capacity of copper and aluminium affect to the heat transference to air? Please, we need a thermodinamics guru
Sorry for the misspelling, I'm from Spain and my English is not as good as I'd like to, but I try to do my best to write in the forum.
I don't know anything about football either, here we only talk about soccer
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We have overclockers who don't like running garden hoses in and out of their computers for the really big HSFs. And the quad-core CPUs are running hotter and hotter - pretty soon, Prescott territory!TooNice wrote:Darn and I just bought the TRUE. I wonder if this is better in performance (definitely wins in aesthetics). A little ironic though - CPU temperature isn't at their historical highest, yet we still see ever heavier heatsinks.
This cooler wins in fanless mode so far which is going to be challenged by the orochi in a few days.
Bench of coolers in fanless mode. LINK
Can't wait to see which cooler is going to perform better in fanless mode as I delayed the purchase of a copper Ninja because of the orochi.
Bench of coolers in fanless mode. LINK
Can't wait to see which cooler is going to perform better in fanless mode as I delayed the purchase of a copper Ninja because of the orochi.
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Hard? Wrong. Piece of cake. The better HSF depends on whether the exhaust fan is on the rear of the computer (95%) or on the top of the computer (5% or less). "Passive" does not mean "fanless" - and the cooling air paths of the two HSs are at right angles. Easy decision!thejamppa wrote:Darn, SPCR will hard time... Two new scythe passive coolers. Which one shall beat the reining passive champion Ninja as reference cooler? Ninja Copper or Orochi?
isn't it obvious? FC is saying the Ninja Cu works with conventional ATX fan layout, whereas Orochi doesn't, therefore Ninja wins. However neither could be a reference heatsink simply because they are too heavy. it's irresponsible to recommend such heavy heatsinks.thejamppa wrote:... which is... ?Felger Carbon wrote:Easy decision!
I'll be building my first pc in the next few days and I bought the 5th anniversary Ninja.
Does anyone have any experience with the Cu on an AM2+ and running it passive (I won't know if the HSF will interfere with the RAM until I finish getting the parts)? Is there any way to use the 775 backplate for more support?
the build, in short:
Antec Solo
phenom 9600 BB
8GB Mushkin HP PC6400
MSI k9a2 platinum
diamond hd 3870
Corsair 620HX psu
I also got an extra nexus 90mm fan for the case. If I put both the 90mm fan and the scythe fan on the case would that be enough to run the ninja passive? Would a support bracket be a good idea with the AM2+?
Does anyone have any experience with the Cu on an AM2+ and running it passive (I won't know if the HSF will interfere with the RAM until I finish getting the parts)? Is there any way to use the 775 backplate for more support?
the build, in short:
Antec Solo
phenom 9600 BB
8GB Mushkin HP PC6400
MSI k9a2 platinum
diamond hd 3870
Corsair 620HX psu
I also got an extra nexus 90mm fan for the case. If I put both the 90mm fan and the scythe fan on the case would that be enough to run the ninja passive? Would a support bracket be a good idea with the AM2+?
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But would you personally take either of them if you could fit them?jaganath wrote:isn't it obvious? FC is saying the Ninja Cu works with conventional ATX fan layout, whereas Orochi doesn't, therefore Ninja wins. However neither could be a reference heatsink simply because they are too heavy. it's irresponsible to recommend such heavy heatsinks.thejamppa wrote:... which is... ?Felger Carbon wrote:Easy decision!
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